Winterthur-Board-Market
Just received some Infos and Pictures from "Reithalle" in Winterthur.
Beside Interboot Friedrichshafen at same time: Big snowboard- and ski-market also with secondhand-stuff.
Basar will be continiued to September 27.
All new (Prices are SFr).:
Völk RT 163 849.- -> 499.-
NDK Proto 67 999.- -> 599.-
NDK Proto 62/ 67: 999.- -> 699.-
F2 Speester SL 63 with titanium bindings: 1249.- -> 749.-
F2 Speester SL 58: 899.- -> 549.-
Speedcross 154: 699.- ->399.-
Speedster GTS 163: 699.- -> 399.-
DeeLuxe Indy red 27.5 and 30.0 Full-TF: 699.- -> 399.-
Test/Rent-Equipment
Suzuka blue 29.5: 120.-
several Blax DSM (rent-equip.): all 30.-
and some secondhand-stuff like:
Burton Wire 147 with bindings about 100.-
F2 Speedster SL 163 red, with Fritschi F40.1: 120.-
Funny secondhand boards in Switzerland
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Funny secondhand boards in Switzerland
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Gliding on Snowboards,
like Pogo, Kessler, Virus, Hot, Nidecker and others,
from 151 up to 183 cm and 14 to 27.4 cm width,
covering any kind of shapes with
any kind of boots and bindings.
like Pogo, Kessler, Virus, Hot, Nidecker and others,
from 151 up to 183 cm and 14 to 27.4 cm width,
covering any kind of shapes with
any kind of boots and bindings.
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Received additional Info's from Monday:
more secondhand-stuff:
F2 Carbon Beamer 156 regular, black - Fritschi StepIn: 80.-
Nidecker Next 143, blue - frontlever-plastic-binding: 70.-
Oxbow WorldCup 157 regular, green - frontlever-plastic-binding: 50.-
Nidecker Tracer 158, blue - Proflex-Intec-plastic-binding - SB 125 black, size 43: 150.-
Nidecker Proto something between 160 and 170cm, wood-carbon-deck - Fritschi-StepIn - SB 223 size about 43, with Intec-Heels: 200.-
Nidecker Tornado GS 163 Titanium, red - Raichle X-Bone Carbon Intec, red: 40.-
Nidecker Tracer 158, blue: 60.-
Nidecker GS 170 Titanal-rubber-plates, grey, very hard flex: 50.-
Nidecker Concept 164 goofy, green-grey: 10.-
a lot of Blax DSM @ 30.- are sold, remaining sizes 24.5/25.5/26.5
At my opinion all boards are something between 7 and 14 Years old, so they are realy old, but for a price tag of 10 Swiss Francs up to 50 Swiss Francs, its o.k.
All secondhand-boards must be screened from the salesagent there, the stuff is in good to excellent condition.
She told me, that some boards are in a realy good shape, only with fine scratches on topsheet coming more from storage, then from using them.
Very view new Boards for off-piste-riding:
RadAir Tanker 172 red: 500.-
Burton Fish 160 blue-green: 400.-
No Longboards on place.
more secondhand-stuff:
F2 Carbon Beamer 156 regular, black - Fritschi StepIn: 80.-
Nidecker Next 143, blue - frontlever-plastic-binding: 70.-
Oxbow WorldCup 157 regular, green - frontlever-plastic-binding: 50.-
Nidecker Tracer 158, blue - Proflex-Intec-plastic-binding - SB 125 black, size 43: 150.-
Nidecker Proto something between 160 and 170cm, wood-carbon-deck - Fritschi-StepIn - SB 223 size about 43, with Intec-Heels: 200.-
Nidecker Tornado GS 163 Titanium, red - Raichle X-Bone Carbon Intec, red: 40.-
Nidecker Tracer 158, blue: 60.-
Nidecker GS 170 Titanal-rubber-plates, grey, very hard flex: 50.-
Nidecker Concept 164 goofy, green-grey: 10.-
a lot of Blax DSM @ 30.- are sold, remaining sizes 24.5/25.5/26.5
At my opinion all boards are something between 7 and 14 Years old, so they are realy old, but for a price tag of 10 Swiss Francs up to 50 Swiss Francs, its o.k.
All secondhand-boards must be screened from the salesagent there, the stuff is in good to excellent condition.
She told me, that some boards are in a realy good shape, only with fine scratches on topsheet coming more from storage, then from using them.
Very view new Boards for off-piste-riding:
RadAir Tanker 172 red: 500.-
Burton Fish 160 blue-green: 400.-
No Longboards on place.
Gliding on Snowboards,
like Pogo, Kessler, Virus, Hot, Nidecker and others,
from 151 up to 183 cm and 14 to 27.4 cm width,
covering any kind of shapes with
any kind of boots and bindings.
like Pogo, Kessler, Virus, Hot, Nidecker and others,
from 151 up to 183 cm and 14 to 27.4 cm width,
covering any kind of shapes with
any kind of boots and bindings.
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Just screened the pictures on my camera from last month and foundet:
I recently visited in Switzerland a second-hand store and saw between some old computers, furnitures and music-disk -> see picture!
General-price for Alpineboards without bindings was at SFr. 10.-, with bindings at SFr. 20.-
It seems they realy know than Virus Snowboards are verry expensive. As the only alpinboard, the 1995/96 Invader 159cm comes with a 25% higher price-tag then the others: SFr. 25.-!
Boards from: Hooger, F2, SantaCruz, Nidecker, Virus, Burton, Rad-Air, X-Cuse and some more freestyleboards with plate-bindings.
At an other store I saw weeks ago a brand new Sims Blade ATV 171 from about 1987-1990 (no Inserts, no drilled holes!)
I recently visited in Switzerland a second-hand store and saw between some old computers, furnitures and music-disk -> see picture!
General-price for Alpineboards without bindings was at SFr. 10.-, with bindings at SFr. 20.-
It seems they realy know than Virus Snowboards are verry expensive. As the only alpinboard, the 1995/96 Invader 159cm comes with a 25% higher price-tag then the others: SFr. 25.-!
Boards from: Hooger, F2, SantaCruz, Nidecker, Virus, Burton, Rad-Air, X-Cuse and some more freestyleboards with plate-bindings.
At an other store I saw weeks ago a brand new Sims Blade ATV 171 from about 1987-1990 (no Inserts, no drilled holes!)
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Gliding on Snowboards,
like Pogo, Kessler, Virus, Hot, Nidecker and others,
from 151 up to 183 cm and 14 to 27.4 cm width,
covering any kind of shapes with
any kind of boots and bindings.
like Pogo, Kessler, Virus, Hot, Nidecker and others,
from 151 up to 183 cm and 14 to 27.4 cm width,
covering any kind of shapes with
any kind of boots and bindings.
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The Picture from this evening:
Burton e-series 5.6 1997/98 (waist 217mm) with Burton performance (w. canting/lift) anything at about SFr. 20.-/50.-
Burton ALp 5.1 1997/98 (waist 195mm) with Burton carrier (w. canting/lift) anything at about SFr. 20.-/50.--
Mistral 151 (Sony-Edition) with Elfgen Rotor anything at about SFr. 20.-/50.-
Burton e-series 5.6 1997/98 (waist 217mm) with Burton performance (w. canting/lift) anything at about SFr. 20.-/50.-
Burton ALp 5.1 1997/98 (waist 195mm) with Burton carrier (w. canting/lift) anything at about SFr. 20.-/50.--
Mistral 151 (Sony-Edition) with Elfgen Rotor anything at about SFr. 20.-/50.-
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Gliding on Snowboards,
like Pogo, Kessler, Virus, Hot, Nidecker and others,
from 151 up to 183 cm and 14 to 27.4 cm width,
covering any kind of shapes with
any kind of boots and bindings.
like Pogo, Kessler, Virus, Hot, Nidecker and others,
from 151 up to 183 cm and 14 to 27.4 cm width,
covering any kind of shapes with
any kind of boots and bindings.
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The Picture from day's ago:
- Nidecker Lazer 145 (for juniors!) with Nidecker freecarve at SFr. 30.- (good condition)
- Nidecker Tracer 152 96/97 with F2-Proflex Titanium Intec-2000 at SFr. 10.- (good condition)
- F2 Speedster SL-163 99/2000 with F2-Proflex Titanium Intec-2000 at SFr. 10.- (excellent condition, Base and edge just prepared like new)
- Burton Alp 6.4 1997/98 (waist 215mm) with Burton race 97/98 (w. canting/lift) at SFr. 50.- (good-excellent condition)
- Nidecker Lazer 145 (for juniors!) with Nidecker freecarve at SFr. 30.- (good condition)
- Nidecker Tracer 152 96/97 with F2-Proflex Titanium Intec-2000 at SFr. 10.- (good condition)
- F2 Speedster SL-163 99/2000 with F2-Proflex Titanium Intec-2000 at SFr. 10.- (excellent condition, Base and edge just prepared like new)
- Burton Alp 6.4 1997/98 (waist 215mm) with Burton race 97/98 (w. canting/lift) at SFr. 50.- (good-excellent condition)
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Gliding on Snowboards,
like Pogo, Kessler, Virus, Hot, Nidecker and others,
from 151 up to 183 cm and 14 to 27.4 cm width,
covering any kind of shapes with
any kind of boots and bindings.
like Pogo, Kessler, Virus, Hot, Nidecker and others,
from 151 up to 183 cm and 14 to 27.4 cm width,
covering any kind of shapes with
any kind of boots and bindings.
where is it?
And where is located this shop? address? phone number?
Thanks!
Thanks!
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which one?
Recently:
- Nidecker Extreme SL 156 regular with Fritschi Diamond 360-S, at SFr. 40.- (used, but good condition)
- Nidecker Extreme Race GS 174 narrow 1998/99 with CrazyCreek-Binding (OEM F2-Proflex, with Titanal-Disc), stiff, sidecut 14m Titanal-Damper, at SFr. 50.- (used, but good condition)
- Nitro Blazer 153 2000/01 with F2-Proflex Freecarve 00/01 at SFr. 290.- (excellent condition)
- Mistral Sonic SL 157 1998/99 with fire-system (two inlays called: fully integrated rattle suspension, similar to 2 ultraslim vist's-rails), stiff flex, sidecut at 9.7m, at SFr. 90.- (good-excellent condition)
- Nidecker Rave 151 1997/98 (not on Picture) with Nidecker Freecarve bindings, at SFr. 40.- (used, but good condition)
Recently:
- Nidecker Extreme SL 156 regular with Fritschi Diamond 360-S, at SFr. 40.- (used, but good condition)
- Nidecker Extreme Race GS 174 narrow 1998/99 with CrazyCreek-Binding (OEM F2-Proflex, with Titanal-Disc), stiff, sidecut 14m Titanal-Damper, at SFr. 50.- (used, but good condition)
- Nitro Blazer 153 2000/01 with F2-Proflex Freecarve 00/01 at SFr. 290.- (excellent condition)
- Mistral Sonic SL 157 1998/99 with fire-system (two inlays called: fully integrated rattle suspension, similar to 2 ultraslim vist's-rails), stiff flex, sidecut at 9.7m, at SFr. 90.- (good-excellent condition)
- Nidecker Rave 151 1997/98 (not on Picture) with Nidecker Freecarve bindings, at SFr. 40.- (used, but good condition)
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Gliding on Snowboards,
like Pogo, Kessler, Virus, Hot, Nidecker and others,
from 151 up to 183 cm and 14 to 27.4 cm width,
covering any kind of shapes with
any kind of boots and bindings.
like Pogo, Kessler, Virus, Hot, Nidecker and others,
from 151 up to 183 cm and 14 to 27.4 cm width,
covering any kind of shapes with
any kind of boots and bindings.
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@Freecarver & Hans
good questions!
Perhaps Nobody here! This boards have been manufactured and sold only for good riders, e.g. for World-Champions on Raceboards, like 5 time with Mistral Sonic's, or several time with Nideckers Extreme, or for people they feel easy to carve like them on the pictures. Now-a-days Donek's or such freecarvers modells are probable not for World-Champions, but more for people from country's far away from the alps - I dont' know. But what I saw now, there are brands today they show us internet-homepages like very similar style to the presentations of Mistral snowbords 10 Years ago! (but without to have World-Champions on their boards)
good questions!
Perhaps Nobody here! This boards have been manufactured and sold only for good riders, e.g. for World-Champions on Raceboards, like 5 time with Mistral Sonic's, or several time with Nideckers Extreme, or for people they feel easy to carve like them on the pictures. Now-a-days Donek's or such freecarvers modells are probable not for World-Champions, but more for people from country's far away from the alps - I dont' know. But what I saw now, there are brands today they show us internet-homepages like very similar style to the presentations of Mistral snowbords 10 Years ago! (but without to have World-Champions on their boards)
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- Carving with Nidecker Extreme Race GS-W on slope.
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- Carving with Mistral Sonic on slope.
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Gliding on Snowboards,
like Pogo, Kessler, Virus, Hot, Nidecker and others,
from 151 up to 183 cm and 14 to 27.4 cm width,
covering any kind of shapes with
any kind of boots and bindings.
like Pogo, Kessler, Virus, Hot, Nidecker and others,
from 151 up to 183 cm and 14 to 27.4 cm width,
covering any kind of shapes with
any kind of boots and bindings.
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an other example:
Beside a very stylish Hooger Booger all at the left:
Boards from KillerLoop / Nidecker / Burton / Shokk / Generics / HeavyTools / Oxbow, from 135 up to 165 cm, prices from SFr. 15.- up to SFr. 40.-
(Shokk Board with a Fritschi Step-In Binding and a dampenig-system (orange) like the use it on actual metall-bindings by US-brands!)
The Oxbow WorldCup 154 goofy (all at the right) was riden as a regular !!
Bindings:
from Fritschi and Proflex, SFr. 10.- up to SFr. 15.- (brand-new Fritschi compact step-in)
Boots:
from UPS (now UPZ) and Raichle (x23 - x25), sizes about 38 to 46, for SFr. 30.-
Beside a very stylish Hooger Booger all at the left:
Boards from KillerLoop / Nidecker / Burton / Shokk / Generics / HeavyTools / Oxbow, from 135 up to 165 cm, prices from SFr. 15.- up to SFr. 40.-
(Shokk Board with a Fritschi Step-In Binding and a dampenig-system (orange) like the use it on actual metall-bindings by US-brands!)
The Oxbow WorldCup 154 goofy (all at the right) was riden as a regular !!
Bindings:
from Fritschi and Proflex, SFr. 10.- up to SFr. 15.- (brand-new Fritschi compact step-in)
Boots:
from UPS (now UPZ) and Raichle (x23 - x25), sizes about 38 to 46, for SFr. 30.-
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Gliding on Snowboards,
like Pogo, Kessler, Virus, Hot, Nidecker and others,
from 151 up to 183 cm and 14 to 27.4 cm width,
covering any kind of shapes with
any kind of boots and bindings.
like Pogo, Kessler, Virus, Hot, Nidecker and others,
from 151 up to 183 cm and 14 to 27.4 cm width,
covering any kind of shapes with
any kind of boots and bindings.
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a dozen days ago:
Boards:
- Killer-Loop Carve 163, with Burton Physics bindings at SFr. 50.-
- Nidecker Extrem SL 155, with Scott Strike bindings at SFr. 50.-
- Nidecker Spectra 154, with Burton Step-in Carrier bindings, at SFr. 50.-
not on picture:
- Nidecker Spectra 159, with Flow-bindings (at 50/60° ?!?), at SFr. 99.-
- Völkl Spline 152, with some softbindngs ?!?, at SFr. 99.-
Boots:
- Oxygen Krypton 03
- Raichle 323 (new), at SFr. 40.-
- Mojo (like Kastinger / Drake), at SFr. 40.-
- two pair of Raichle 125 (black ones)
- Raichle AF600 used, at SFr. 90.-
- Raichle AF600 new, at SFr. 90.-
- Burton Reactor, at 40.-
- Burton Wind, Physics, at SFr. 50.-
- Raichle 220 (size 35 for kids / behind Burton Reactor/Wind)
(Mojo- / Kastinger- / Drake-boots use also two springs for fw/bw flex/position, but works only for short compressions)
Boards:
- Killer-Loop Carve 163, with Burton Physics bindings at SFr. 50.-
- Nidecker Extrem SL 155, with Scott Strike bindings at SFr. 50.-
- Nidecker Spectra 154, with Burton Step-in Carrier bindings, at SFr. 50.-
not on picture:
- Nidecker Spectra 159, with Flow-bindings (at 50/60° ?!?), at SFr. 99.-
- Völkl Spline 152, with some softbindngs ?!?, at SFr. 99.-
Boots:
- Oxygen Krypton 03
- Raichle 323 (new), at SFr. 40.-
- Mojo (like Kastinger / Drake), at SFr. 40.-
- two pair of Raichle 125 (black ones)
- Raichle AF600 used, at SFr. 90.-
- Raichle AF600 new, at SFr. 90.-
- Burton Reactor, at 40.-
- Burton Wind, Physics, at SFr. 50.-
- Raichle 220 (size 35 for kids / behind Burton Reactor/Wind)
(Mojo- / Kastinger- / Drake-boots use also two springs for fw/bw flex/position, but works only for short compressions)
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Gliding on Snowboards,
like Pogo, Kessler, Virus, Hot, Nidecker and others,
from 151 up to 183 cm and 14 to 27.4 cm width,
covering any kind of shapes with
any kind of boots and bindings.
like Pogo, Kessler, Virus, Hot, Nidecker and others,
from 151 up to 183 cm and 14 to 27.4 cm width,
covering any kind of shapes with
any kind of boots and bindings.
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Vitaly! Northwaves? - what do You dream about! What do You realy dream about?
The boots are the Moyo's, this one with 3 buckles. Depending on type of boot, there are also several models with 4 buckles + 1 Velcro. And they had different spring systems, like only one spring for vorward flex, or two springs for forward and backward lean (position and hardness can be adjusted / different set of springs-type), but no walk-mechanism! Buckles are different to. Collar could be adjusted for different side-canting and different side-flex and different twist! The sole-parts are interchangeable, there are standarts and twinsole's (softer rubbber-sector to boot-inside and harder rubber-sector to boot-outside), but not compatible with Intec-heels. The Mojo's had been sell in realy many stores, much more stores then NW's.
Vitaly, Nortwaves! Who realy wants to buy some Northwaves? - Nobody! Look at this Mojo-Boots: While the top-of-the-end boots from Northwave had been once at DM 629.- (cheapest DM 399.-), the boots with this shell like Mojo's had been at DM 998.- (cheapest DM 449.-)!
Vitaly, Nortwaves! Who realy wants to buy some more Northwaves? - Nobody! While other brands put some new lines of hardboots on market, they stoped production of NW hardboots. Why? just because there is no needness of Northwave hardboots from the most snowboarders with raceboards on market.
Vitaly, Nortwaves! Who realy wants to buy some Northwaves at all, even on sale? - Nobody, realy nobody! While Mojo's had been at SFr. 199.- and was sell-out in one season, the Nortwaves need 3-4 seasons and was finally on 2001 at SFr. 99.-, available from size 41-44, same to the Point-900, but some Francs higher! I'm not talking from a closeout-shop, I'm talking from a good sporting-good shop, which sells nowadays also alpine-snowboarding stuff. After closeout from 2001 they bring them to the rubbish recycling oven, so I could cooking a coffee out of electricity, coming from the heat for the steam-turbine-generators!
The boots are the Moyo's, this one with 3 buckles. Depending on type of boot, there are also several models with 4 buckles + 1 Velcro. And they had different spring systems, like only one spring for vorward flex, or two springs for forward and backward lean (position and hardness can be adjusted / different set of springs-type), but no walk-mechanism! Buckles are different to. Collar could be adjusted for different side-canting and different side-flex and different twist! The sole-parts are interchangeable, there are standarts and twinsole's (softer rubbber-sector to boot-inside and harder rubber-sector to boot-outside), but not compatible with Intec-heels. The Mojo's had been sell in realy many stores, much more stores then NW's.
Vitaly, Nortwaves! Who realy wants to buy some Northwaves? - Nobody! Look at this Mojo-Boots: While the top-of-the-end boots from Northwave had been once at DM 629.- (cheapest DM 399.-), the boots with this shell like Mojo's had been at DM 998.- (cheapest DM 449.-)!
Vitaly, Nortwaves! Who realy wants to buy some more Northwaves? - Nobody! While other brands put some new lines of hardboots on market, they stoped production of NW hardboots. Why? just because there is no needness of Northwave hardboots from the most snowboarders with raceboards on market.
Vitaly, Nortwaves! Who realy wants to buy some Northwaves at all, even on sale? - Nobody, realy nobody! While Mojo's had been at SFr. 199.- and was sell-out in one season, the Nortwaves need 3-4 seasons and was finally on 2001 at SFr. 99.-, available from size 41-44, same to the Point-900, but some Francs higher! I'm not talking from a closeout-shop, I'm talking from a good sporting-good shop, which sells nowadays also alpine-snowboarding stuff. After closeout from 2001 they bring them to the rubbish recycling oven, so I could cooking a coffee out of electricity, coming from the heat for the steam-turbine-generators!
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Gliding on Snowboards,
like Pogo, Kessler, Virus, Hot, Nidecker and others,
from 151 up to 183 cm and 14 to 27.4 cm width,
covering any kind of shapes with
any kind of boots and bindings.
like Pogo, Kessler, Virus, Hot, Nidecker and others,
from 151 up to 183 cm and 14 to 27.4 cm width,
covering any kind of shapes with
any kind of boots and bindings.