Advices to newbie

Post by **Belva** » Thursday 6 January 2005, 12:25

Hi everybody !!!
I'm a newbie on this forum, but I make cuts on the snow for years.
Please forgive me to my nasty english.
I arrested my snowboard sessions two years ago from a misadventure on hardpack with my old nidecker GS 162 (too short for me I feel)
Now ,I want to restart snowboarding, but my knowledge about board ,bindings and boot is poor.

I want to buy a F2 Speedster RS 183 '03/'04 or a F2 Speedster RS 173 02/03.
I like quikness but the EC too.
My sizes are:
Tallness: 180 cm
Weight: around 83 Kg (depends...what I eat

)
Years on Board : 9 ..only with hard.

Somebody can give advice to me ?
Thanks a lot.

Post by **sml** » Thursday 6 January 2005, 18:04

Belva wrote:I'm a newbie on this forum, but I make cuts on the snow for years.

Welcome, Belva. Where are you from ?

I want to buy a F2 Speedster RS 183 '03/'04 or a F2 Speedster RS 173 02/03. I like quikness but the EC too.
My sizes are:
Tallness: 180 cm
Weight: around 83 Kg (depends...what I eat )
Years on Board : 9 ..only with hard.
Somebody can give advice to me ?

It really depends on where you ride, and how 'powerful' you feel. Such long boards are really fast and physically demanding. No suited for crowded slopes or 'lazy rides'. I am 187cm/79kg, and 173 is way enough for me. Too long and/or too stiff boards demand exceptionnal conditions to be great fun, and are pain in the a*s the rest of the time, IMHO. (Personnal Factory Prime 181 experience).

As for EC, I think the best advice is "Try to find a board of at least 20cm waist". Too narrow boards don't seem so good for EC.

My 2 cents,

sml.

Post by **Belva** » Thursday 6 January 2005, 18:52

Hi SML !
Thanks !
I live in Milano Italy, and I used to go to val pusteria ,Kronplatz(plan de corones) ,Pila, Cervinia, Lathuile and more...but my favorites spots are Kronplatz and the innichen's wall !
My style is old I think... I push very strong with legs on board and I rotate the shoulder inside the curve and I bring closer the marrowbones meanwhile the curves goes to the maximum slope , I like the medium radius curves at high velocity (this before the accident).
I ride describing an half-moon sequence not a continues line (I hope that explanation is claire

).

It's better a silberpfeil-like board instead a RS ?
I've watch to F2 site...I chose a 183 because on site the advice for my weight is :"For > 75 Kg rider take the 183"!
I can trust or it's a merchant's bul****t ?

I'm a disaster ! I have some problems with mondo-point converse , how I can choose a hardboot on internetshop ?

Thanks SML !

Post by **pokkis** » Thursday 6 January 2005, 19:00

If you have room to ride take 183 otherwise 172, both have quite high radius marked but due these newer F2 RS are quite soft they turn suprisingly tight if you ask them turn

I agree that both are quite narrow but that is best and easiest to get, but check also ebay.de cause there time to time are thos for sale.
But if you are very fast to decide

and are capable to ride long stick this is must buy

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie ... eName=WDVW but there is only 4 hours to go.

Post by **Belva** » Thursday 6 January 2005, 19:28

Thanks pokkis, but sims 188 is shipping only to Schweiz and Deutschland , then I have doubts about a 183 lengthiness and I feel 188 too long

Post by **Belva** » Thursday 6 January 2005, 19:45

And about a Silberpfeil ?

I have the possibility to buy a Speedster RS 173 '02/'03 , which is the right price for a used board like this ?

Post by **frunobulax** » Friday 7 January 2005, 8:47

I got the Speedster RS 183 (02/03, but I think there weren't any big changes to 03/04) and I'm 192cm/85 kg. I like the board very much since it's rather easy to ride for such a long stick, quite soft, forgiving and smooth. But the turning radius is very big (sidecut is 16 m; bcos it's so soft the turning radius in real life would be somewhat smaller, but nevertheless you need very much space on the slope).
I guess the ideal length for you would be the 177 which I tested once and was very surprised how big the difference is to the 183. The 177 feels much lighter and perhaps more "natural" to ride. The 183 in comparison feels more like an ICE-train.
Don't go for the 173 (too small and I've heard the 173 isn't as good as the other sizes, for what reason whatsoever)!
The Silberpfeil isn't an alternative anyway. Too hard for soft slopes so one gets problems with a digging nose. On hardpack its a good board but if you buy a Silberpfeil you gotta buy a second board for soft conditions.
I'd say wait for a cheap 177.

The right price? Hmm, I'd say for a an unused board from 03/04 around 250-300 Euros, from 02/03 200-250. I bought two 02/03 RS's at the end of 03 which were both unused and paid 250 and 280 Euros. But that was a bargain.

Post by **frunobulax** » Friday 7 January 2005, 8:54

Boot sizes: the best way would be to measure the length of your foot in cm, add 0.5 cm and order the boot (mondopoint). But in real life don't be too optimistic. I ordered the new Virus boot in mdpt 29,5 (=11=45) which is my normal size. After a lot of paying money to the postal service I now bought the mdpt 28,0 (=9,5=43,5)...
My left foot is exactly 29 cm long...

Post by **ablazespy** » Friday 7 January 2005, 9:26

Belva wrote:I'm a disaster ! I have some problems with mondo-point converse , how I can choose a hardboot on internetshop ?

Thanks SML !

First of all welcome!

If you draw the outline of your feet on paper and sent it to Blue Tomato they can tell you what mundo size you would need!

www.blue-tomato.at

Greetz

Post by **Belva** » Friday 7 January 2005, 11:11

Thanks everybody !

@frunobulax: you can advice me a 177-board ?

@ablazespy :

, but I realize that I need to a lucky strike for the
right purchase.

Post by **frunobulax** » Friday 7 January 2005, 11:38

Hmm, only if my brother sell his'

... but I don't think he will. But just wait there are always some offers on ebay.

After thinking it over for a few minutes I'd say 183 is very likely too long for you. Only if you have 1. very strong legs and 2. a clear conception what you want from your board, esp. racing, long turns, high speed etc. it could be ok.

177 should be best. But if you're not sure why not go and test some boards? Ask your local dealer... or call blue tomato! Or wait for the swoard...

As for doing EC with the RS, I'd say it's wide enough (around 20cm) if you are used to higher angles or if you got smaller feet. And, as I said, the RS is very comfortable riding so you need not pay attention to the board's will but can concentrate on your technique.

Post by **Belva** » Friday 7 January 2005, 12:31

Thanks!

In Milano there are many dealer ,but sadly they sell ONLY soft !!!
Many snowboarder in Milano are poser

,and they pay attention to fashion rather the real sport, not always obviously (I ride with friends of mine and they are softer except one or two ), but this is the trend here.

I have some friends in Bolzano (Bozen), but it's far from here around 4 hours with a car only for departure(or 2 hours using a bike

...but not in this season

).

Unluckily Milano is a softer-city, I like the soft too, but I have the money only for one snowboard gear.

Post by **Belva** » Friday 7 January 2005, 17:34

What you can tell me about a Speedster SL 166 ?

Sidecut radius is only 10 m...for EC or aggressive carving is a good choice ???

Help I don't know where I can clash my head !!

Post by **frunobulax** » Sunday 9 January 2005, 20:17

Sorry for delay, but I've been snowboarding this weekend

Speedster 166: Don't use it for extremecarving. Never ridden one, but in my personal opinion the minimum radius for carving low would be around 11-12m. With a slalomboard the turn is finished before you really started laying down. But there are different opinions around in this forum. My silberpfeil has an 11 m sidecut (and is besides very hard which makes the turns wider) and that's ok for me but the absolute minimum.

BTW, I have to readjust my opinion about the silberpfeil because I had a lot of fun with it today: It's a very very good board on hard surface. Edge grip, stability, response,...perfect. But still - if you buy a silberpfeil you have to get a second board for soft conditions.

Tomorrow more, have to get some sleep.. quite exhausted..

Post by **frunobulax** » Monday 10 January 2005, 13:20

Shops: try www.blue-tomato.at and www.surfinsel.at

Maybe the Völkl or the Hot Blast would be better for you.

Or..... save all your money and buy the new swoard just like i will do next season.

The softboot-hysteria is not a typically Italian problem. It's the same all over Europe. I will never understand it and neither will anybody who's ever had a great day of carving with hardboots. It's a shame, but pretty useless to talk about it. Let the softbooters think they've got style as long as we've got fun!

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