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Dalbello Krypton Pro

Post by robe_vi » Thursday 17 December 2009, 11:08

sul forum bomberonline ho letto che in alternativa ai northwave come scarponi race si usano i Dalbello Krypton Pro.. info su questi scarponi?
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Re: Dalbello Krypton Pro

Post by H2O » Thursday 17 December 2009, 11:49

robe_vi wrote:sul forum bomberonline ho letto che in alternativa ai northwave come scarponi race si usano i Dalbello Krypton Pro.. info su questi scarponi?
Sono scarponi da sci, soprattutto ampiamente utilizzati (e oggigiorno anche un po' di moda) nello sci freeride...li utilizza da qualche anno il Pro Glen Plake, per via del buon compromesso comodità/flex/trasmissione in rapporto invece ad altri modelli di scarponi da sci con connotati maggiormente race (piu' rigidi e trasmissivi ma meno comodi per lunghe discese ed avvicinamenti in fuoripista).
Eccoli http://www.dalbello.it/Men.aspx?CAT=Top ... DUCTID=201
E' di fatto la rivisitazione da parte di DalBello (che forse ne era anche in lontano passato il produttore) dei vecchi stampi dei Raichle Flexon Comp (riprodotti in look sgargianti e new age dall'anno scorso e commercializzati con vari marchi, K2 compreso, per utilizzo sci Park/Pipe/Freeride).... eccoli http://www.thisnext.com/item/72363642/R ... -Ski-Boots
Di fatto, i Flexon Comp (per chi ha la mia età e memoria snowboardistica) li utilizzava (e forse li utilizza ancora) il noto Matiu Matteoli con le tavole strette da pista.
Non è una novità l'utilizzo di scarponi da sci con lo snowboard hard (abbiamo iniziato in tanti così) e soprattutto in ambito race ancora alcuni li utilizzano (ad Alagna un certo Andrea Enzio li ha sempre utilizzati con l'hard anche per prime discese da pareti nord e canale Marinelli.....).
Rimangono sempre degli scarponi da sci (seppur meno secchi e piu' pastosi rispetto ad altri modelli e marche) con tutte le caratteristiche del caso:
- suola piu' lunga ed ingombrante (di solito in snowboard, punta e tacco vengono limati diagonalmente per togliere gli ingombri);
- trasmissività laterale;
- quasi assenza di flex frontale;
- calzata precisa (scarpette ultraperformanti e termoformabili a zone differenziate) ma molto rigida e scomoda (posizione obbligata).
Caratteristiche da tenere in considerazione per il settaggio degli attacchi (quasi obbligatorio utilizzo di cant/lift o passi molto stretti).
Li ho provati con gli sci e mi sono piaciuti, anche se rimango fedele ai miei vecchi Salomon Course; ad Alagna si vedono da qualche anno ai piedi di qualche prorider svedese e tutti ne parlano bene....ma sono sempre scarponi da sci!
Dai un' occhiata anche qui:

Carving in ski boots

You can carve in ski boots, which can provide maximal stiffness and a high cuff. However, a carving setup in ski boots allows for a very narrow margin of error. While you are trying to learn, a ski boot setup will knock you around on anything other than perfect groomers, and you'll wind up fighting your equipment. People who start off carving in ski boots and later switch to snowboard boots often discover after the fact that ski boots were blocking their skill development. Avoid starting off on the wrong foot - It's a bad idea to use ski boots even when "trying out" carving gear, because you will quickly decide that you hate it. There are a few scenarios where ski boots are of use:
Several racers use modified ski boots as part of their world cup racing style.
Some riders have an advanced carving style that makes use of ski boots, and they are able to carve very well.
If you have huge feet, you might not be able to find snowboard hard boots that are big enough, which means you have to use ski boots. This situation imposes a double-whammy, since ski boots will add extra length to your already long sole base. If you are looking for very large boots, it's better to watch the eBay auctions for hard snowboard boots in your size; occasionally, you will see size US-11, 12, or 13.
When using ski boots, there are several issues to consider:
You need to find a ski boot that can give some forward and lateral flex (only available in low-end beginner models), but that has a tall cuff (only available in high-end pro models). In addition, the ski boots must have the right flex in the right places. The old Raichle Flexon comp ski boots fall into this category, which you can often find on eBay. Some racers, like Anton Pogue and Ryan McDonald, still use them (after modifications). Some of the older Technica ski boots also qualify.
To get more flex out of ski boots, they can be modified:
Cut them in strategic places on the shell and tongue to soften them up.
Unbuckle the top buckle
Add slop to the cant mechanism
Carving in ski boots may require additional tweaking of the setup:
Ski boots are more susceptible to boot-out, since they have a longer sole base and a lugged heel/toe, instead of the shorter sole base and beveled heel/toe of snowboard boots. Because ski boots provide less clearance, you will need to increase your binding angles to prevent toe drag, or go with a wider all-mountain or BX board. On narrow boards, you may find that your bindings can't be angled high enough: Bomber TD1s are limited to 70º.
The longer sole base and stiffer construction of ski boots put more stress on the bindings, so don't use ski boots with plastic bindings. Unfortunately, stiffer all-metal bindings will make the whole setup even stiffer, so it's a lose-lose situation.
Because of the difference in forward lean between snowboard boots and ski boots, you will probably have to fiddle with the cant and lift of your bindings to get your knees where you want them. Unfortunately, ski boots don't have forward lean adjusters to help out the situation. Highly adjustable bindings like Cateks may work better than other bindings.
There are a few ski/snowboard hybrid boots available
Rossi previously made a line of "soft" ski boots, which came out in '02, but it's nowhere near soft enough to work well on a carving rig. It has only slightly more forward flex than a ski boot, and no way to lock in a lean position. It comes with a DIN sole.
Strolz and Dale are ski boot manufacturers that offer boots that can be converted from ski boots to snowboard boots, with detachable DIN toe and heel pieces. Strolz sells an Intec model.
One option is Alpine Touring (AT), or Randonnée, ski boots. They are meant for hiking uphill in the backcountry, during which the binding allows the heel to be free. Then, the binding heel clicks in and they act like releasable ski boots on the way down. See the splitboard section.
The Scarpa Denali boots are stiff, and might be good for carving on groomers.
The Dynafit line of boots are light and soft, and may be more amenable to chop/crud.
Other ski boot considerations:
Ski boots are designed with a smooth sole base to allow them to easily twist out of releasable ski bindings, so when used with a snowboard setup, there is less natural grip between the boot and the binding.
Intec heels are not compatible with either ski boots or AT boots.
The excessive stiffness in ski boots may result in shin bang.
Stick to perfectly groomed slopes.
In 2006, Dalbello has purchased the rights to manufacture a re-make of the old Raichle Flexon Comp ski boot, with design assistance from Glen Plake. Two boots are available: The Dalbello Krypton Pro, and the Krypton Cross (wider, with a softer flex). The boots will use the three-piece Cabrio design with a tongue, which provides a constant soft forward flex. This boot design was adopted years ago by some alpine racers and carvers, and may be of interest to carvers who normally ride with ski boots.

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Post by robe_vi » Thursday 17 December 2009, 12:00

graaaazie mille!!! :D
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Post by heilow » Thursday 17 December 2009, 17:49

Lo scarpone in effetti è molto interessante per caratteristiche e prestazioni generali, sarebbe molto interessante se qualcuno del forum avesse la possibilità di provarlo, per avere delle opinioni a tal riguardo in ambito snowboard hard.
Vi allego sotto questo video esplicativo, credo riferito al modello della stagione passata.



Ps. Pietro mi stupisce sempre di più per tutte le innumerevoli cose che sa :wink: anche io ricordo benissimo il mitico Matteoli alle Deux Alpes con i Flexon Comp..
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Post by Silber » Friday 18 December 2009, 9:51

Costano molto più dei miei Northwave...
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Post by heilow » Friday 18 December 2009, 10:11

Silber ha scritto
Costano molto più dei miei Northwave...
Costano 479,95 € su Blue Tomato, se uno ci fa un pensiero sarebbe meglio li acquistasse fuori stagione, di norma sugli scarponi da sci applicano sconti maggiori anche se questo non è sempre vero :wink:
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