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Post by István » Friday 12 September 2008, 9:29

Do you guys know anyone that sells TD2 in EU and still has one TD2 Ti on stock for sale? Bomber is completely out...


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Post by The Blitz » Friday 12 September 2008, 9:47

 - 168XH Pro - Custom Dual 168H - Swallow Undertakeur 185

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Post by István » Friday 12 September 2008, 10:31

Thx - but could not really find the 'how to order' section on their webpage.... /ok, just figured out I just need to send them an e-mail/

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Post by pokkis » Friday 12 September 2008, 11:51

alpinepunk.com
inside EU so no VAT issues, and Mats is nice guy :bravo:

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Post by starikashka » Friday 12 September 2008, 12:07

hmmm..i see something that completely lacking in Russia :-) how could i contact this nice guy to get thing :-)
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Post by starikashka » Saturday 13 September 2008, 9:35

Thanks pokkis :) already got the responce. I`m looking for intec heels :-) last season there was a situation when there were no any avaliable kit across whole country :-)
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Post by nils » Saturday 13 September 2008, 17:35

intec: no good for EC
We do NOT recommend the use of intec bindings on the Swoard ...For EC they are too stiff lateraly anyway. Its just lazy people choice, but for good level riding use normal bails !

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Re: Well

Post by starikashka » Saturday 13 September 2008, 21:15

nils wrote:intec: no good for EC
We do NOT recommend the use of intec bindings on the Swoard ...For EC they are too stiff lateraly anyway. Its just lazy people choice, but for good level riding use normal bails !

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Nils, it`s a bullshit, sorry :-) if Northwaves would allow you to use intec heels :-) i suspect that this message would never appear....especially claims about lazy people - i`m riding on the world shortest slopes 90% of my snowboarding time..so i believe that intecs save my time :)))
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Post by nils » Sunday 14 September 2008, 9:10

its not bullshit:
If intecs where available on Northwave ( remember those are not made for the last 7 years almost now) we would still not use them...
Why do you think no one races with intec? because its too stiff. Everyone is looking in today's trend for looseness without giving out precision: it means comfort and chatterless ( vibrationless too ) ride...

On wide boards u get lower angles and thus need to be able to replace your body gravity back and forth in the forward back directions. How are u suppose to do this with locked feet: ok you can use your knees but i dont want to be the one operating them when you are 50 or even less: they are not designed to move sideways unless i'm out of good sense.

I know that you guys ride very short slopes and it makes sense to have an easy system to lock / unlock, but well i'd suggest you try once riding with normal bindings and a bit less tight settings and see the difference you get in body placement, fine tuning of gravity etc during the ride.

When i was riding narrow boards ( Rossi and Oxygen) at the end of the day my knees were hurting and i felt very tired from not having looseness in anything because the idea was to have very tight bindings that u need almost two hands to open etc... Now i can ride full days without fatigue or pain: this is also a huge difference: wide boards also give more confort and less stress of catching an edge ( you tend to ride them more flat too than a narrow board ).

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Old advice based on empirical facts

Post by fivat » Sunday 14 September 2008, 13:05

I confirm that Intec is no good for extremecarving with fluidity and efficiency.
There are many members in this Forum who have followed our advices and experiences who can confirm too. So please starikashka, control yourself a bit before writing rough words like "bullshit". 8O Thanks.

As I wrote somewhere else: "Carving is not theoretical, it's empirical".

:rules: https://www.extremecarving.com/tech/mat.html (written by our guru Jacques ;-) in 2002)
Because of their stiffness, step-ins are to be avoided in extremecarving. The board bends tremendously during each turn and needs an articulation under each foot. Without the articulation, the rider's legs must follow the movement, which translate into large movements of the knees- tight together or even crossing each others during turns and spreading out during transitions. That stiffness not only interferes with the natural flex of the board, but also produces very large amount of stress just in front of the bindings which potentially can break the snowboard! Another undesired effect is the transmission of unwanted vibration from the board to the feet because of the stiff boots/board bindings interface.
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Re: Old advice based on empirical facts

Post by codighel » Sunday 14 September 2008, 13:25

I did not want to hurt someone feelings,but in my opinion is a choice!Maybe for your extremecarving is not good,but it's not true that racer do not use it. It depends on the point of view,new bindings with intec tecnology now works really good in good contol at Hi speed and trought gates!
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Re: Old advice based on empirical facts

Post by fivat » Sunday 14 September 2008, 14:11

If you read well, I was speaking only about extremecarving. The text pages on this Web site are not about racing. It's not named "racing.com" ;-)

At racing, less than 25% of the riders use Intec. Maybe someone there has more precise statistics... Anyway everyone does what he wants. Internet is a place for exchanging experiences... But saying that something is "bullshit" or giving pure theories is, in my opinion, not a good way to behave.

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Post by nils » Sunday 14 September 2008, 19:15

i have seen the latest WC and did not see many racers with intec..so not sure.. :)

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Post by Schneewurm » Sunday 14 September 2008, 20:21

bullshit² - it' seems in greater Genava area there are now growing black holes! :evil2:

Intec-Bindings works very fine for so called "Extreme-Carving" on wider snowboards!

I use them in most case, I carve like flat. It's a F2-Proflex Intec Binding. But surely not the Titanium item, ore this american anodised stuff. I ride the cheap, very flexible plastic-bindings "Freecarve" with plastic-center-disk (from Zytel, non glass-reinforced) - in combination with softer hardboots.

Technical data from Proflex Intec Bindings (axial-rigidity / side-flex):
  • Freecarve (Zytel/grey): 55% / 85% !! <--- more side-flex then axial-rigidity, can You imagine this :tongue:
  • Carve RS (Zytel-reinforced/blue): 75% / 70%
  • Titanium (Titanal©-plate): 100% / 35%
Proflex called it simply the "Base Flex System". This setup is independent of any tighter or loser (danger) front lever! So it's good to own all of them, to adapt the board-binding-boot combination to the demand of the riding style (but the Titanium I don't use very often). By the way, I also carve on many others standard bail-bindings.

The Freecarve Intec has been designed for angulation less then 50° (Range 25-50°), the Carve RS Intec for about 50° (Range 30-55°) and the Titanium Intec for an angulation over 50° (Range 40-70°)! The Titanflex is something between the carve RS and the Titanium, but with less sideflex - more similiar like the Titanium then the Carve-RS. For actual bindings, with not so detailed data, look just at the FTWO "Checklist Race 08/09"!

So I hope, this informations won't disappear immediately in Geneva's black holes! :alien:
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Just this message for all the bling-bling-getters:
for authentic snowboarders it's less important to screw the most expensive/shining binding on a good board, it's more important to screw the most adapted binding for the best ride feeling on a board! (same thing for the boots!)
But there is a help for You: Just buy two of the Swoards, one for riding and a second one for presenting it with your favorite binding in front of the resaurant. :bravo:
Gliding on Snowboards,
like Pogo, Kessler, Virus, Hot, Nidecker and others,
from 151 up to 183 cm and 14 to 27.4 cm width,
covering any kind of shapes with
any kind of boots and bindings.

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