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Well
intec: no good for EC
We do NOT recommend the use of intec bindings on the Swoard ...For EC they are too stiff lateraly anyway. Its just lazy people choice, but for good level riding use normal bails !

Nils
We do NOT recommend the use of intec bindings on the Swoard ...For EC they are too stiff lateraly anyway. Its just lazy people choice, but for good level riding use normal bails !

Nils
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Re: Well
Nils, it`s a bullshit, sorrynils wrote:intec: no good for EC
We do NOT recommend the use of intec bindings on the Swoard ...For EC they are too stiff lateraly anyway. Its just lazy people choice, but for good level riding use normal bails !
Nils



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lol
its not bullshit:
If intecs where available on Northwave ( remember those are not made for the last 7 years almost now) we would still not use them...
Why do you think no one races with intec? because its too stiff. Everyone is looking in today's trend for looseness without giving out precision: it means comfort and chatterless ( vibrationless too ) ride...
On wide boards u get lower angles and thus need to be able to replace your body gravity back and forth in the forward back directions. How are u suppose to do this with locked feet: ok you can use your knees but i dont want to be the one operating them when you are 50 or even less: they are not designed to move sideways unless i'm out of good sense.
I know that you guys ride very short slopes and it makes sense to have an easy system to lock / unlock, but well i'd suggest you try once riding with normal bindings and a bit less tight settings and see the difference you get in body placement, fine tuning of gravity etc during the ride.
When i was riding narrow boards ( Rossi and Oxygen) at the end of the day my knees were hurting and i felt very tired from not having looseness in anything because the idea was to have very tight bindings that u need almost two hands to open etc... Now i can ride full days without fatigue or pain: this is also a huge difference: wide boards also give more confort and less stress of catching an edge ( you tend to ride them more flat too than a narrow board ).
N
If intecs where available on Northwave ( remember those are not made for the last 7 years almost now) we would still not use them...
Why do you think no one races with intec? because its too stiff. Everyone is looking in today's trend for looseness without giving out precision: it means comfort and chatterless ( vibrationless too ) ride...
On wide boards u get lower angles and thus need to be able to replace your body gravity back and forth in the forward back directions. How are u suppose to do this with locked feet: ok you can use your knees but i dont want to be the one operating them when you are 50 or even less: they are not designed to move sideways unless i'm out of good sense.
I know that you guys ride very short slopes and it makes sense to have an easy system to lock / unlock, but well i'd suggest you try once riding with normal bindings and a bit less tight settings and see the difference you get in body placement, fine tuning of gravity etc during the ride.
When i was riding narrow boards ( Rossi and Oxygen) at the end of the day my knees were hurting and i felt very tired from not having looseness in anything because the idea was to have very tight bindings that u need almost two hands to open etc... Now i can ride full days without fatigue or pain: this is also a huge difference: wide boards also give more confort and less stress of catching an edge ( you tend to ride them more flat too than a narrow board ).
N
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Old advice based on empirical facts
I confirm that Intec is no good for extremecarving with fluidity and efficiency.
There are many members in this Forum who have followed our advices and experiences who can confirm too. So please starikashka, control yourself a bit before writing rough words like "bullshit".
Thanks.
As I wrote somewhere else: "Carving is not theoretical, it's empirical".
https://www.extremecarving.com/tech/mat.html (written by our guru Jacques
in 2002)
There are many members in this Forum who have followed our advices and experiences who can confirm too. So please starikashka, control yourself a bit before writing rough words like "bullshit".

As I wrote somewhere else: "Carving is not theoretical, it's empirical".


Patrice FivatBecause of their stiffness, step-ins are to be avoided in extremecarving. The board bends tremendously during each turn and needs an articulation under each foot. Without the articulation, the rider's legs must follow the movement, which translate into large movements of the knees- tight together or even crossing each others during turns and spreading out during transitions. That stiffness not only interferes with the natural flex of the board, but also produces very large amount of stress just in front of the bindings which potentially can break the snowboard! Another undesired effect is the transmission of unwanted vibration from the board to the feet because of the stiff boots/board bindings interface.
Re: Old advice based on empirical facts
I did not want to hurt someone feelings,but in my opinion is a choice!Maybe for your extremecarving is not good,but it's not true that racer do not use it. It depends on the point of view,new bindings with intec tecnology now works really good in good contol at Hi speed and trought gates!
KESSLER 180
KESSLER 171
APEX PLATES
VIRUS Berserker Zylon 185
F2 race titanium-TD2
-Northwave 950
KESSLER 171
APEX PLATES
VIRUS Berserker Zylon 185
F2 race titanium-TD2
-Northwave 950
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Re: Old advice based on empirical facts
If you read well, I was speaking only about extremecarving. The text pages on this Web site are not about racing. It's not named "racing.com" 
At racing, less than 25% of the riders use Intec. Maybe someone there has more precise statistics... Anyway everyone does what he wants. Internet is a place for exchanging experiences... But saying that something is "bullshit" or giving pure theories is, in my opinion, not a good way to behave.
Patrice Fivat

At racing, less than 25% of the riders use Intec. Maybe someone there has more precise statistics... Anyway everyone does what he wants. Internet is a place for exchanging experiences... But saying that something is "bullshit" or giving pure theories is, in my opinion, not a good way to behave.
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well
i have seen the latest WC and did not see many racers with intec..so not sure.. 
2007: http://www.pbase.com/dan_marino/snowboard

2007: http://www.pbase.com/dan_marino/snowboard
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bullshit² - it' seems in greater Genava area there are now growing black holes! 
Intec-Bindings works very fine for so called "Extreme-Carving" on wider snowboards!
I use them in most case, I carve like flat. It's a F2-Proflex Intec Binding. But surely not the Titanium item, ore this american anodised stuff. I ride the cheap, very flexible plastic-bindings "Freecarve" with plastic-center-disk (from Zytel, non glass-reinforced) - in combination with softer hardboots.
Technical data from Proflex Intec Bindings (axial-rigidity / side-flex):
The Freecarve Intec has been designed for angulation less then 50° (Range 25-50°), the Carve RS Intec for about 50° (Range 30-55°) and the Titanium Intec for an angulation over 50° (Range 40-70°)! The Titanflex is something between the carve RS and the Titanium, but with less sideflex - more similiar like the Titanium then the Carve-RS. For actual bindings, with not so detailed data, look just at the FTWO "Checklist Race 08/09"!
So I hope, this informations won't disappear immediately in Geneva's black holes!
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Just this message for all the bling-bling-getters:
for authentic snowboarders it's less important to screw the most expensive/shining binding on a good board, it's more important to screw the most adapted binding for the best ride feeling on a board! (same thing for the boots!)
But there is a help for You: Just buy two of the Swoards, one for riding and a second one for presenting it with your favorite binding in front of the resaurant.

Intec-Bindings works very fine for so called "Extreme-Carving" on wider snowboards!
I use them in most case, I carve like flat. It's a F2-Proflex Intec Binding. But surely not the Titanium item, ore this american anodised stuff. I ride the cheap, very flexible plastic-bindings "Freecarve" with plastic-center-disk (from Zytel, non glass-reinforced) - in combination with softer hardboots.
Technical data from Proflex Intec Bindings (axial-rigidity / side-flex):
- Freecarve (Zytel/grey): 55% / 85% !! <--- more side-flex then axial-rigidity, can You imagine this
- Carve RS (Zytel-reinforced/blue): 75% / 70%
- Titanium (Titanal©-plate): 100% / 35%
The Freecarve Intec has been designed for angulation less then 50° (Range 25-50°), the Carve RS Intec for about 50° (Range 30-55°) and the Titanium Intec for an angulation over 50° (Range 40-70°)! The Titanflex is something between the carve RS and the Titanium, but with less sideflex - more similiar like the Titanium then the Carve-RS. For actual bindings, with not so detailed data, look just at the FTWO "Checklist Race 08/09"!
So I hope, this informations won't disappear immediately in Geneva's black holes!

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Just this message for all the bling-bling-getters:
for authentic snowboarders it's less important to screw the most expensive/shining binding on a good board, it's more important to screw the most adapted binding for the best ride feeling on a board! (same thing for the boots!)
But there is a help for You: Just buy two of the Swoards, one for riding and a second one for presenting it with your favorite binding in front of the resaurant.

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like Pogo, Kessler, Virus, Hot, Nidecker and others,
from 151 up to 183 cm and 14 to 27.4 cm width,
covering any kind of shapes with
any kind of boots and bindings.
like Pogo, Kessler, Virus, Hot, Nidecker and others,
from 151 up to 183 cm and 14 to 27.4 cm width,
covering any kind of shapes with
any kind of boots and bindings.