F2 homepage: bindings and words "extreme carving"

[Felix]

Pokkis, are you sure the toe clip is the same wideness. Because the too wide toeclip on older L bindings rendered useless the 325 in 26.5 Mondo for me.

[erik]

Pokkis,

you are talking about the intecs but I want to buy the "normal" race titaniums. Perhaps that givess already a difference?

Felix,

My boot is a raichle AF600T and I'm going for binding from this or previous year.

Selling the gear: I don't think I'll do that (don't change a winning team)
Lending the gear: No way! My Swoard is my precious

So with that in mind: M is recommended?

[Felix]

For AF600T you L is no disadvantage, so take whatever is cheaper IMHO

[pokkis]

My comments were related modern Intec bindings, not old-style traditional clip-bindings

[Schneewurm]

nils,
I'am not criticizing EC, I'am just only writing what about it looks. Like the things I talked about going on on slopes with raceboards, just what carving poeple do in Capital Switzerland.
And how You saw on my Pictures above, "extreme" "carving" was an populare thing 10 Years ago, perhaps not in France or French part of Switzerland and other countrys, for them it's now like a new thing!

And You attest it with your own words: ... we do today with much more ease ...
It's an absloute normal thing and a characteristic of French part of Switzerland and of French poeple to be more lazy then others. We know this, we accept this, but we are also free to designate this, like You are free to celebrate this witht your fine Swoards on slopes!

Well one thing about pictures/Videos:
I often ride whith a friend, who also like to photograph. Both can double the value of a mid-class car when they put the photo-bags in the car. But when we are going snowboarding, we never have time to take photos, we want just enjoy Snowboarding. You know, taking one or more good snapshots needs not only 2 minutes, it takes hours.
And in addition the best eye-shots has never been on well groomed slopes or on deep powdersnow. They have been on crusted snow offpiste, on deep slush offpiste, or on an icy slope covered with a lot off slush!

[Pogokoenig]

Schneewurm, what's wrong with you?

Pleae keep your racist thoughts for yourself and hide them deep deep inside your head. No one has ever seen you carving. So why do you think you can criticize in this real arrogant an unpolite way. And this not only in this forum. Here is a place for carvers with different styles and different natinoalities and sometimes we debate a little harder. But with this kind of comments you disqualify yourself totally.

Please be aware. Maybe some day Pogokoenig meets the small guy with the coloured sportshoes from capital switzerland and maybe things are getting clearer afterwards.

[jeanma]

(...)It's an absloute normal thing and a characteristic of French part of Switzerland and of French poeple to be more lazy then others(...)

Cool, I've been expecting a narrow minded debate about preconceived ideas 4 so long. At least I haven't started it...

[nils]

wurm what is your problem? On some posts you are a normal wise guy, and suddenly you become less wise and start provocations...? As you might have seen it is called EC forum, we talk about other subjects too, but the idea is to help everyone and share what can be shared about this technique....
I like the ' i have 10000 euros worth of cameras in the car but prefer to ride' excuse....
All we have to say to those that say its lazy carving, easy to do, and they do it since day one is : shoot a damn video and we'll see and bow in respect if its worth it. Youtube is now facilitating this too... No one here pretends we are the best, or that other riding technique sucks etc... its just a damn EC forum gee...we promote a discipline on here and people have fun doing lazy turns because it gives them a goal ( reach perfect style)... everyone that has a goal in what he does shall be respected no?

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[Schneewurm]

nils my Nick is not wurm, but just Schneewurm!

Hey Pogokoenig what's wrong with you? Why is is this a racist thought? O.K. we know answers like yours well here, it's an easy answer, when you say anything again European Socialiste Ideas.
But calm down, has I wrote something about that "be lazy" is a bad thing? Hey, there are a lot of french things they are very good and they came only out because of theire culture! So I weekly buy French things like Food and more on an French supermarket, do You do the same?
Even about the so called "Extreme Carving" hype, nobody else is comming out with the idea to focus only on such movements for raceboarding on residential slopes! The point is, when you are not lazy enough, your are looking automaticaly to more agressive moves and more difficult areas.

By the way, Zinal is well known here by snowboarders and skiers. But everybody who has been there, didn't talk about the slopes in Zinal, they talk about the freeride-possibilty outside of slopes down to the valley and the lake (if there is enough snow).

[nils]

ok then what's your point?
N

[skywalker]

ok then what's your point?

Thanks Nils, great question.

@Worm: I know. you will not get it. But for the records:

Rassismus teilt die Menschheit in Gruppen oder Rassen ein, die als homogen betrachtet werden, und unterstellt diesen eine kollektive Identität sowie unveränderliche Merkmale und Charakterzüge

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rassismus

skywalker

[István]

Wow.... just saw what this thread has turned into....

To keep up the positive vibes let's go back to old carving pics. This is me approx 10 yrs ago.... I do not have pics of me snowboarding from 20 years ago, because back then I was 12 and did not know what snowboarding was....

But you can also see me smiling on this frontside.... so easy...

You are also welcome to post old pics, the more colorful your gear is, the more points you'll score....

[fivat]

That pic of Jean Nerva also shows how well the frontside was masterized... Jean was the pro of the " I smile because it is soooo easy ".... as Jean told me, the backsides vitelli"s were almost impossible because of the lack of technique... some made them but they were not fully extended or able to recover...

I confirm.
I would add that Serge Vitelli, my "idol" in 1990-1995 (he still is! ), explained in a magazine that he was doing series of "normal" turns (on the edge of course) to get a rhythm (and energy from the board) before laying down his famous frontside turn ("Vitelli turn"). It was an isolated turn, just a trick. Most riders did this move in counter-rotation, and very few ones were able to touch the snow with the armpit. Backside laid turn was very difficult are rarely seen! Serge, with his great style, also had a counter-rotated position in all his famous frontside pictures.

There was no discipline in the nineties about making fully laid turns, linked frontside and backside, because it was quite impossible to achieve... and the board performances were not what they are now! In the Burton movies 1992-1994, one could see a few isolated turns from Jean Nerva and Peter Bauer. Same for the video "Hard attack" (1994) with Antonin Lieutaghi. Most of the time the turns were very inclinated but not fully laid, and if they were fully laid, they were not linked.

Now "making fully laid and linked turns" is a discipline by itself: Extremecarving.com has developed (and explained) a special technique, popularizing the discipline (under the name "extreme carving"). This is contributing (magazines, TV, festivals) to the promotion of alpine snowboarding (all styles, and extremecarving in particular). The increasing enthusiasm for extremecarving speaks for itself. The influence (inspiration) of this Web site since its opening in 2002 can also be seen through the shared photos and movies of riders, from all over the world, who are enjoying their extremecarving quest.

Internet does a lot! I think that alpine snowboarding is still alive (and coming back?) thanks to Internet, that's great!

As said by Nils, we have not invented the words "extreme" and "carving" of course. "Extreme" was already used (but too much!) by the medias for advertisement in the nineties. Concerning snowboarding, "extreme" was associated to "freeriding". It was occasionally used for alpine snowboarding, suggesting power, strong carving, etc. I also heard the words (now obsolete) "hard carving" and "euro turns".

And how You saw on my Pictures above, "extreme" "carving" was an populare thing 10 Years ago, perhaps not in France or French part of Switzerland and other countrys, for them it's now like a new thing!

It was something different from what is done now, as explained above. I hope that behind your racist sentence, there is a joke?! Because I recall you that Jean Nerva and Serge Vitelli are French!!

Schneewurm, we ask you to stop posting racist messages about French, German, and American people, as well giving your politics views, critics about Zylon boards (for example) and comments on resorts that are not as great as yours. You seem to be negative against everyone in the world. Open your heart, thank you!

Patrice Fivat

[leeho730]

In a way, Schneewurm is correct because the word "extreme carving" has been around for decades. Waht differentiates Swoard EC from usual extreme carving, however, is continuous linking of fully laid turns.

So, to define Swoard EC: "a branch of extreme carving which characterize in continuous linking of fully laid turns."

However, it is generally agreed (also according to Carver's Almanac) that the word "extreme carving" now usually refers to Swoard EC

[nils]

That's it and now just keep the good vibes gentlemen: the idea is to SHARE, and HELP people that want to discover those turns too

thnx
Nils