F2 homepage: bindings and words "extreme carving"

[nils]

its fine, no one is pretending Swoard team invented the use of extreme carving words ... We just made it into a discipline and popularized it...it became a name when it was just and adjective and a name to describe power carving...

I wish i also had archives from the early 90's.... patrice has a good collection of mags from the late 80's with carving only pics but he is too lazy to scan them

Nils

[The Blitz]

The Swoard team inspires the market!

Humm...in DEC 1996 you can read this in a popular magazine :



THE general concept was here, but the marketing will be the winner eleven year later


Too bad also when you could see Jean in action in 91's :

[nils]

i remember well this mag info and that particular board...funny to see! it must have inspired the tinkler!
We also have to remember that all the boards until 92-93 were at least 22cm wide, and the logical was soo wide it took huge efforts to tilt it ( my shins remember this)...
That pic of Jean Nerva also shows how well the frontside was masterized... Jean was the pro of the " I smile because it is soooo easy ".... as Jean told me, the backsides vitelli"s were almost impossible because of the lack of technique... some made them but they were not fully extended or able to recover...

Nils

[rilliet]

Ahhh, Jean Nerva and Peter Bauer... This picture (and other ones) was soooo inspiring for us!
Does anyone has a picture of Serge Vitelli?

Jacques

[Silber]

Actually, I have this picture as well, but looking at it again it's mostly interesting to look at Peter Bauer left hand....that really is inspiring...

[Schneewurm]

So called extreme carving or power carving looks more like lazy carving.

Since Years you can see it on slopes (linked turns = absolute normal carving with raceboards), probably also from tourists of Germany with the Virus Boards on well prepared, wide slopes. But nobody who can realy carve good does it, because it's too easy to do it. Poeple doing it on such slopes, are stamped as carving beginners, or poser. For a realy challenge, good carvers have been focused on more difficult slopes riding realy radical carving-moves.

... We just made it into a discipline and popularized it ...

Shure I agree, defining a hand of some view 100 meters, every day well prepared slopes for EC and making a board for it. Nothing else what was happend by the Skwal story.
Popularization is comming by Internet, well spread over the world in thin endowment.

Lets switch back to magazines on November 1987 (-20 Years / Surf - SnowSurf Special). Nobody was carving then extreme on hard pack, but from 1987 to 1997 it was the most intensive development decade for carving equipments and riding skill.

[nils]

well not sure what this had in mind was making the skwal for linking laid out turns... i think it was more to get both feet in front of each others with very hard carving in mind... with envy to be able to go in powder...He was very hot in the powder with it and www.skwalzone.org has a few nice pics of guys in powder on skwals... I rode the first lacroix skwals, and remember it needed lots of engagement and stamina compare to lazy like EC we do today with much more ease. I think what wide board return gives is easyness above all, and stability at slow speeds that was really missing!

As for criticizing EC, we are yet to see how well you do this easy to do technique .. youtube has many servers to host your new videos

Nils

[skywalker]

Hey worm,

why are you so negative again this week? I already started thinking, that things became better and you understood the "spirit" and "community" thing.

skywalker

[erik]

F2 has done lots of development since 10 years, new colors and during that time span tehy come out also with useless M size binding.

Useless???
My mondopoint is 26 and according to there explanation, I need the M.
Or is the L also suitable with a 26?
And if I can choose, what would be the best choise? Is there a difference in diameter of the plates? As i could read on this site, smaller plates would be more interesting (more flex).

A lot of questions, isn't it

[pokkis]

One will get only (almost useless) benefit is mondo size is less than 24
Only difference with L and M is front piece, and that means that one can not use larger sizes with M but L will fit for all. So if you have 26 go with L

[Felix]

I'ld allways go with medium size if it fits, what's the benifit of L?

At least with older models the bindings were wider so the medium ment smaller angles with the same shoes. I'ld allways go with medium - no matter what binding manufacturer (my size is 26.5 which is the same shell size as 26)

[erik]

You are 100%, absolutely, without any doubt sure that L will fit?

If not, I'll bring the bill to you in Zinal

If so, think that I will go for that size then.

[erik]

Oh Felix, you replyed faster then me.

But hey, now I'm totally confused.

L.....M..... I don't know it anymore...

[pokkis]

Yes Felix is also right, it will fit, BUT when you sell bindings you can sell them also folks with "normal" boot size and that means more potential buyers
But seriously only difference on Race Intec binding is how front piece is installed, no differences on any other parts. I have both ones.

[Felix]

Well the only benefit of L ist that if someone wants to borrow your board, it's better. For your own sake, take M and you'll be fine. I don't know the newest bindings, but at least with older types (5-6 years) a large ment at least 5° more angle was needed. I sold on the bindings on ebay as they wouldn't work at all with Raichle 325 in 26.5. If you use AF/Indy/Suzuka or the new Track 700 (but not Track 325/225) then there is no problem with Large, but also no benefit. For 325/224 and all older Raichles then the slimmer design of M really makes a benefit.