preventive measures of binding

Website · Post by **Katsunori** » Sunday 13 August 2006, 13:19

Toe bail rereased by unknown mistake , it is very dangerous!
I have an idea , and try it today.
It is very simple and effective.
Use only String.

Post by **rilliet** » Sunday 13 August 2006, 18:38

Very clever!

Jacques

Post by **skywalker** » Wednesday 16 August 2006, 11:37

Katsunori wrote:Toe bail rereased by unknown mistake , it is very dangerous!
I have an idea , and try it today.
It is very simple and effective.
Use only String.

Reason / mistake IMHO is easy: Snap fit (Which common bail binding is) usually is used with flexible materials like plastics. This is, what almost any European binding does by using front levers made of plastics. If metal is used on a a snap fit, there must a spring be added, to create a gradient of stored energy and to keep bails from opening. But this is, as said before, only my opinion

skywalker

Website · Post by **Katsunori** » Thursday 17 August 2006, 11:37

Yes,
toe bail is not release , if it close tight. (maybe)
but , toe bail screw become loose ....
there is many reasons.
Board struggle 'Ga Ga Ga' on Frozen hard slope.
big power go to binding in a moment.
(...and many of other conditions)

I think ,
it's protect from risk of unknown release , little.

Post by **Chris Houghton** » Friday 18 August 2006, 12:00

Bomber gives you a "micro" adjustment in the bail, use that to tighten a little more, and this will also help. If the boot flexes when you clamp the boot, then it's too tight, if not, ...........
I have also had bindings release when the board chatters on ice. A little tighter and the problem was solved.

Chris

Post by **RicHard** » Thursday 24 August 2006, 16:44

Anyway, for what it cost, I think it's a good idea.
You can even tight bindings at the most but in certain circumstances someting could always open you binding (it happened to me).
So... it's nice to see such system that we are free to choose or not...
Thanks!

Post by **U-turn** » Sunday 27 August 2006, 15:44

this string is better then nothing, but:

skywalker has the right conclusion. There were never Alu- front levers in the last two decades on European bindings. The bails always were longer, thinner and much wider, so they can flex and work in addition like a spring.

I rode several front levers bindings from Nidecker, Fritschi, Meyer (Safty-Bindings), Snowpro, Elfgen, Burton, Proflex and F2, Drake/Nitro, Emery and Mistral (with Plastic-, Alu-, Steel-, full Carbon-, or Mixed-Bases) and I have never had a self-opend lever!

Bomber is new on marked, it's an american brand and is still on a learning phase!
(Good marketing is usualy faster and more important in USA, then good products.)

Website · Post by **Katsunori** » Monday 28 August 2006, 13:28

BOMBER announce NOTICE.
http://www.bomberonline.com/VBulletin/s ... php?t=9248
Such an abstract argument does not go down with me.
Is it caused by only 'boots' ?

flexible materials : skywalker wrote,

It's shut boots effectively.
But , bail and lever of BOMBER , it is very strong and not flexible.
Is it relation to unknown rerease , isn't it ?
(IMHO)

Post by **Silber** » Monday 28 August 2006, 18:14

Since we are here, we should also point out that the standard plastic leash that comes with the TD" can break easily as it has happened to me when both my boots (blax) came out of the bindings (it has happened already a few times...in fact now I use F2s...)

Ciao & Ride Safe

Post by **Chris Houghton** » Tuesday 29 August 2006, 12:03

It is true that aluminum is not flexible like plastic. Also the shape (angle) of the toe clip has an effect on the clamping force and possibility of release. The sole of the boot is the "spring" that Skywalker mentions, giving some movement in the interface. We could also discuss the merits of thinner bale material to allow a slight flex, and of course the angle of the boot to the board - the shallower the angle the more side force and possibility of release from the binding!
I used to have the older version Bombers, now I am happy with Cateks, no early ejection.

Post by **Freecarver** » Tuesday 29 August 2006, 20:40

On the other hand i saw some photo's on BOL that some guy noticed of P&J that their boots while they E.C. are moving inside their bindings and I don't think that they had any early release according what I know.
Even when I watched the PGS of Torino 2006 I saw alot of riders like Shoch brothers release their bindings with such an ease after they finish their run that makes me wonder.
Is it the fact that as tighter you make your bindings more force goes to the front bail and press it for an early release instead of less tortion that makes them more forgiving through the slightly movment of the boot?

Does it makes sence?

Aris.

Post by **WokkingMax** » Tuesday 29 August 2006, 22:42

Chris Houghton wrote:..., no early ejection.

Sorry i Read "erection" and was a bit confused

Post by **paappraiser** » Friday 9 February 2007, 14:19

I have this knot thing on my bindings. I pull the lever with shut with them. Then I put it under the toe clamp. It takes a extra minute, but I like it because I dont have to bend over as much.

No releases to date (knock on wood)

Post by **nils** » Friday 9 February 2007, 15:09

back in the old days of PJ ( nerva bauer) most riders had ski boots on the front foot with natural rubber band ( like bicycle tube chamber).. the emery Never opened unless it broke!
Maybe its a good stuff to do...
N

Post by **Hans** » Friday 9 February 2007, 21:43

Do not overtighten your Bomber TD2's. They will be less forgiving and the chance they will prerelease will be bigger. I tighten them as I can close and open my standard bails with one finger. That's enough, never had a prerelease.

Just my 2 cents.

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