Backside laydown (photo)

Post by **Alexey** » Saturday 12 February 2005, 8:04

Race board with VERY soft nose. Angles: 65/60
Ice and knolls.
photo: http://vide004.narod.ru/001.jpg

video: http://vide004.narod.ru/001.mov

Front side (proper for EC board with proper angles) but killed slope.
http://vide004.narod.ru/P2110063.MOV

Post by **Alexey** » Saturday 12 February 2005, 11:43

Proper angles backside video:
http://vide004.narod.ru/P2110048.MOV

Post by **fivat** » Wednesday 16 February 2005, 15:18

I post your photo here, because the download time from your server is too long

Cool picture

Two hands on the snow during a backside turn is exhilarating!

Patrice Fivat

Post by **sml** » Wednesday 16 February 2005, 18:19

As we've been talking technique lately, one comment on the picture.

Whatever 'laid' the turns may be, there is still a slight (?) difference between P&J's backside and the rest-of-the-world's.

On this picture like on most, the heel-side hand is always facing forward, the finger being parrallel to the board, towards the nose, whereas P&J's are perpendicular, facing the 'center point' of the turn.

IMHO, this also makes their turns look more 'laid' than those of us contributors.

You may find this difference an unsignificant point, but I don't think it is because it comes with an attitude. Facing forward is an 'aggressive' attitude, remainings of 'race-style' attitude, when facing up is associated with laying down peacefuly on the snow.

It also comes along with stretching the arm instead of bending it, thus implying getting closer to the snow.

Nice picture anyway

My 2 cents,

sml.

Post by **Alexey** » Friday 18 February 2005, 17:43

to sml:

You lost 2 BIG thing.

1. This is SLALOM board with VERY soft nose what doing this board unusable for like actions.
2. Angles 65/60 !!! Try have like backside with like angles and you will have very good understanding that with like angles you can't peen down the board within backside.
I have't any ideas how I doing it :-)

This is proper EC technique:
http://video06.narod.ru/back.tif
http://video06.narod.ru/back_divx.avi

Please scold it.

Post by **Alexey** » Friday 18 February 2005, 18:48

files with more fast connection:

http://laydown5.tripod.com/back.tif
http://laydown5.tripod.com/back_divx.avi

http://laydown5.tripod.com/back_raceboard.jpg
http://laydown5.tripod.com/back_raceboard.mov

http://laydown5.tripod.com/bomerstyle_back.jpg

http://laydown5.tripod.com/fron_close_up.mov
http://laydown5.tripod.com/front.avi
http://laydown5.tripod.com/front.jpg

Please scold it.

Post by **sml** » Friday 18 February 2005, 19:40

Hello Alexey,

My apologies if I offended you with my post. That was not my point in any way. I've been trying to EC since I discovered this website 2 years ago, and am now a happy Swoard owner. Zinal was the first opportunity for me to ride with other carvers, moreover of such an impressive level. I am simply now trying to share my observations and conclusions with the hope to improve my own understanding of the how to.

Alexey wrote:to sml:
You lost 2 BIG thing.

1. This is SLALOM board with VERY soft nose what doing this board unusable for like actions.
2. Angles 65/60 !!! Try have like backside with like angles and you will have very good understanding that with like angles you can't peen down the board within backside.
I have't any ideas how I doing it

I am afraid I must disagree with you. The board on this picture here is a 19 cm wide Factory Prime with 66/60 angles. As it has often been said, it is not really laying down that is difficult. The real challenge is keeping the speed (which was definitely not the case concerning this picture)

Alexey wrote:This is proper EC technique:
http://video06.narod.ru/back.tif
http://video06.narod.ru/back_divx.avi
Please scold it.

I only have a RTC connection @home so did not dowload the videos, and I did not manage to see the pictures. But please understand. I never meant the style was 'bad' or whatsoever. I have the very 'problem' I described (see here), with the forearm facing forward.

Once again my aplogies if I seemed offensive. My only point was to say that I find that this arm position is something that, in my humble opinion still makes a difference between P&J's style and the crowd's (to which I belong).

sml.

Post by **Alexey** » Friday 18 February 2005, 19:57

sml wrote:The board on this picture here is a 19 cm wide Factory Prime with 66/60 angles.

Your photo have snow conditions. Looking up how it fly out from the board. My conditions is ICE and BUMPS. Of course it is't EC technique. :-)

But what can you say about other, "proper" videos ?

Post by **Alexey** » Friday 18 February 2005, 22:10

My "snow" conditions:

http://video06.narod.ru/back-2.tif

Looking up how much snow fly out from the board !!!

Post by **Alexey** » Saturday 19 February 2005, 20:05

to Patrice:

Local guys say me about wretched my technique.

Please looking up:

http://video06.narod.ru/back_divx.avi
http://video06.narod.ru/P2110063.MOV

and give biased estimate my frontside and backside starting from EC canons.

Post by **fivat** » Tuesday 1 March 2005, 0:13

Alexey,

Your server "vide004.narod.ru " is bad and the download time is very long. It took me 1 hour per movie with my fast connection!

Moreover the server "laydown5.tripod.com" doesn't work!

I guess that almost nobody watched your movies

It's why I re-post your 4 movies. I placed them on our fast server:
(right click the links and save on your hard disk please)
- Alexey_back_1.mov
- Alexey_back_2.mov
- Alexey_front.mov
- Alexey_sequence.avi

I also post here your 2 pictures (with the Swoard

). TIFF format was not a good idea, and you should have desinterlaced the images... I did the proper job for you. Please, in the future don't give links and don't attach documents, write me an e-mail

I let people comment your technique

I like the way you try to keep your arms along the body during the transitions. Gesticulations are useless

Patrice Fivat

Post by **gdboytyler** » Tuesday 1 March 2005, 1:01

sml wrote: As it has often been said, it is not really laying down that is difficult. The real challenge is keeping the speed... My only point was to say that I find that this arm position is something that, in my humble opinion still makes a difference between P&J's style and the crowd's (to which I belong).

I pretty much agree with your comments. With the speed issue, P&J start the carve with more speed than everyone else, so they finish the carve with more speed and throw a bigger rooster tail than everyone else.

I think with the arm position, people (including myself) end up putting more weight on the arm when the hands are pointed more forward, which will slow you down. I'm glad SML pointed this out, since I really didn't notice that subtle style difference before. With P&J with their arm pointed towards the center of the arc, very little weight can be put on their arm, thus they carry more speed through the carve.

Post by **cmachine** » Wednesday 2 March 2005, 21:57

Hi Alexey

Very Nice position in the second picture

One arm along the body, well extended, well rotated!

One of the few nice pictures available

@Patrice or Alexey: Do you have a full size version of this pic? If yes, can you Email it to me? Thx

Olaf

Post by **Alexey** » Friday 4 March 2005, 17:26

to gdboytyler: Or "deep" laydown without ANY gap. Or small gap and safe keeping speed. Or big speed before but it asking soft snow conditions.
Looking attentive P&J's video :-)
P.S. I first times stand up to snowboard at Jan,2004.

to cmachine: check e-mail.

Post by **cmachine** » Sunday 6 March 2005, 12:14

Alexey

Thanks lot for the photos.

I put one of them here:
http://www.carver.cc/galleries/list.php?exhibition=8

Regards to Moscow
Olaf

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Backside laydown (photo)

Backside laydown (photo)

Re: Backside laydown (photo).

Nobody watched your movies :-(