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Post by **tommaso2k** » Friday 19 February 2010, 11:11

Hi

look at the holistic training plan which was posted here:

viewtopic.php?t=1005&highlight=training+plan

Post by **Hans** » Friday 19 February 2010, 11:20

starikashka wrote:if i would be newbie in this sport my mind would blow up....everybody try to help driven by only good intentions. So, but the problem that person need to have structured consistent information. You guys telling him to deal with separate issues, nothing wrong with it - everything you advicing to fix is needed to be fixed
But generally this is wrong without giving a person big picture This makes him to move in any direction - not sure if he will pick up the right one. Later he can decide that extremecarving not worth those efforts if will not progressing.

So, this amount of help can create a mess...be careful

Amen, the professor has spoken

Post by **starikashka** » Friday 19 February 2010, 11:26

Transistor Rhythm wrote:You are right starikashka. But if you get lessons from the wrong instructor you learn the wrong technique. I have paid money for learning counter-rotation in Sölden - at least she was a nice girl

Yes

You got my point

I consider every reply (including myself) here comes from "wrong instructor". Despite the fact i have certain experience in this area

BTW - this instructor you had in Solden - have you specified what do you want to learn? She were former racer?...If so - she were right, because racer use counter-rotation to go through race-cource, it`s appropriate for their goals

But not for us

She was not bad instructor, just wrong for those goals we have.

My point is that learning has to be structured process

Pointing out separate technical flaws does not help. Asking many people does not help.

Very big problem

Sorry for being boring

Learning is not a fun

Post by **starikashka** » Friday 19 February 2010, 12:06

Hans wrote:
starikashka wrote:...
Amen, the professor has spoken

Yes

a kind of

Anything wrong with my boring messages?

tommaso2k - that what is needed, quite difficult to read and understand, but at least whole story. Making good training materials is really kind of high mastership...

Post by **manuchill** » Friday 19 February 2010, 12:17

whats wrong with: https://www.extremecarving.com/tech/tech.html ?

in my opinion these are the instructions by proper instructors or am I wrong?

Post by **frunobulax** » Friday 19 February 2010, 12:51

The second vid is quite good. I'm impressed if this is really your first season carving.
You could still do a bit more rotation esp on the toeside (look at your left arm.. it's still going to the outside) but it is a very good start.
There is a great improvement concerning turn initiation from vid 1 to vid 2 (actually you're doing it more correct than I do...), and you are bending your knees more.
I think we will see you carving low by the end of the season.

I still have to tell you something sad: a 168 RS is simply way too soft for you with 85 kg. If you get the chance lay your hand on a stiffer, and perhaps longer board.

Post by **starikashka** » Friday 19 February 2010, 12:55

manuchill wrote:whats wrong with: https://www.extremecarving.com/tech/tech.html ?

in my opinion these are the instructions by proper instructors or am I wrong?

Nothing wrong with it, i did not call this particular article as wrong

This is created by Jaques and Patrice.
But this is not a methodical guidance. This is a theory. The difference is in the level of details. You are always need to ask a question having read this.

Post by **manuchill** » Friday 19 February 2010, 13:15

I agree, it's best if someone like Evgen is with you to point you directly to all the actions that need to be taken to master this technique

Post by **sabestian** » Friday 19 February 2010, 14:06

I am chuffed with the response. Many thanks! You are helping me a lot, I feel much more controlled on the slope.

@Starikashka, thanks for PMs, I will analyse them tonight.

Here are todays vids (difficult conditions, icy wet snow):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnZuJyC7Crs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQplX1Bh4r4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-EJYOG8-nc

Post by **crack676** » Friday 19 February 2010, 14:48

Great improvement. Backside rotation is almost perfect, do a bit more rotation on the frontside (there's a little bit counter-rotation). But hey, nobody is perfect

Post by **Transistor Rhythm** » Friday 19 February 2010, 15:22

starikashka wrote:Yes You got my point I consider every reply (including myself) here comes from "wrong instructor". Despite the fact i have certain experience in this area

BTW - this instructor you had in Solden - have you specified what do you want to learn? She were former racer?...If so - she were right, because racer use counter-rotation to go through race-cource, it`s appropriate for their goals But not for us She was not bad instructor, just wrong for those goals we have.

She was a local snowboard instructor that also raced in her spare time. She wasn't a dedicated carving instructor but she knows how to teach something, although she didn't have a clear cut plan because she teaches slightly different things during normal work ofcourse. She also kicked my butt at carving. Hard

Because of this, in the future I now only want a dedicated hardboot carving instructor that can teach rotational technique because counter rotation does not lead to my current goal - linked fully laid down turns.

Also riding with better riders improves my riding. Although a lot of people that are great riders still counterrotate.

Post by **Transistor Rhythm** » Friday 19 February 2010, 15:25

sabestian wrote:I am chuffed with the response. Many thanks! You are helping me a lot, I feel much more controlled on the slope.

@Starikashka, thanks for PMs, I will analyse them tonight.

Here are todays vids (difficult conditions, icy wet snow):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnZuJyC7Crs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQplX1Bh4r4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-EJYOG8-nc

Very rapid improvement

Nice rotation, now start working on push-pull

Post by **sabestian** » Friday 19 February 2010, 15:45

Transistor Rhythm wrote:Because of this, in the future I now only want a dedicated hardboot carving instructor that can teach rotational technique because counter rotation does not lead to my current goal - linked fully laid down turns.

Also riding with better riders improves my riding. Although a lot of people that are great riders still counterrotate.

This is exactly why I asked you guys here. All instructors I have ever seen on slopes ride with counter rotation, and my goal was to get rid of it. I am coming from bomber style riding and I was good-ish at it (more 'experienced' than 'good') so the first two days were very painful! I was crashing 20-30 times per day... But thanks to this site, the videos and now YOU I am very proud of myself.

Post by **tommaso2k** » Friday 19 February 2010, 16:15

Hi, can you post a video of your bomberstyle carving as well please?

Post by **sabestian** » Friday 19 February 2010, 16:47

I haven't got any vids from my past and I am trying not to do that at all now. Even if I can't hold an edge, I will not skid - but fall.

I am pretty commited to it as you can see.

I am trying to get rid of all my past reflexes and habits completely. When I know I can carve and all the rotations, knee work and body balance is on a good course only then I will allow myself to mix styles.

I forgot to mention, I added more heel lift on the back foot that helped me a lot to get more balance and bend both knees simultanouosly (phew). I will eventually get rid of it, when I am comfortable with the new technique.