[dangerous movie] The guy who is dangerous!

Post by **albertofornasier** » Sunday 23 September 2007, 1:34

Mbe the snowboarder s blind?

he did exactly: -in a word- WRONG... i would ban the video ...it is harmful for the Movement...

Post by **Felix** » Sunday 23 September 2007, 23:23

In that video the snowboarder himself might be partly liable, It looks a bit like overtaking and then being below the line. However from the point of view from the skier (probabely a beginner) our hardbooter comes from the middle of nowhere on such a crowded slope. You can't and shouldn't carve like this on such a crowded beginner slope. That's irresponsible.

Especially the first near miss is in the responsibility of our fellow hardbooter.

I had an quite hard crash with one uphill skier (chezch) this year at Easter at high speed that showed me how badly such things can end. We were the ONLY people on a 50m wide black run and I entered before him into it (steepness comparable to La Corne in Zinal, but only about 90m vertical in the steep section) and he definitely couldn't handle his skis down that pretty icy run. I did not look uphill cause I thought I would be alone on the slope (a day when only like 1 out of 20 chairs carries any skiers and most people were from skiclubs anyhow and know how snowboarders can carve). Everyone would wait on the top before entering as a fall would result in an really fast unstoppable descent to the bottom of the run. Heard the skier in the last moment when I was still on Frontside to switch over to the backside and hide behind my Swoard, just in time to blow the skier away with my board by hitting his left skiboot with my base and edge to send him flying through the air.

I was really lucky that two monitors from the lift, as well as 2 of my friends (one of them ski monitor too) witnessed the accident as the Czech was badly injured (left leg broken, pretty bad injuries on the ankle, shoulder dislocated, smaller head injuries - had to be flown out by helicopter). The shell of his skiboot was broken by the hit, while I pretty much continued carving I saw him flying 3-4m high through the air and quite a long distance. At first I shouted and swared at him at the bottom before realising his state. That happened when I went down really fast (about 50-60km/h, him skiing the straight line down a lot faster) before the crash. Had I not changed to backside the crash would have been really really bad for my part.

The slope was so wide, that I left at least 10 meters of space to each side on transition, there was enough room to overtake me without any probs.

For me it was the first bad crash with an uphill skier (many near misses though) and it still leaves me thinking about the security of carving on fuller slopes cause confronting a skier who can't handle his skis on a steep and empty slope shouldn't really happen again.

Post by **Hyeungsoo Lee** » Monday 24 September 2007, 8:29

It is regrettable accident.

changed a subject the "dangerous movie".
good fortune does always together.

Post by **Ohawa** » Tuesday 25 September 2007, 16:54

Felix: this sounds like a very bad accident. I had a similar accident 7 years ago with a friend skier, going backwards and traversing the slope. He was not expecting this behaviour and crashed directly on me: no injury fortunately but his rental ski-binding went out of the ski.
So what I try now is just to predict the peoples movements and stay (ride) far, far away. Or just slow down.
BTW what do you mean by saying uphill skier? Usually they go down, not up...

Post by **Felix** » Tuesday 25 September 2007, 18:05

uphill skier --> he's coming from uphill above myself. Should have put that a bit clearer.

Yeah twas really bad, I really don't want to imagine what happens when such a moron rides into you from above while laying down a deep Frontside. I only hit him on one ski/boot, which was enough to crack the shell badly meaning him crashing into me with the same impact skis/boots against upper body/head results probabely in more than a few broken ribs.

Post by **Ohawa** » Wednesday 26 September 2007, 10:42

The fact is that the skiers almost never do such closed turns, whether laid down or not so they do not expect someone coming almost perpendicularly on the slope. The only way to prevent such accidents is to keep an eye around yourself...

Post by **eaglefly** » Wednesday 26 September 2007, 15:18

I am usually very careful at others whenever I ride...I would wait and sit several minutes to let people go first and have a clear run.
But the other day I almost crashed into a snowboarder on a blue level run in New Zealand. End of the day, I was on my backside practicing my rotation, not going so fast (slushy snow), then I switched to toeside and my board changed direction.... at this exact moment, I felt someone very close to me...I mean we were so close that I could have kissed him, I mean pushed him away!!!!!! I was so surprised that I shout badly at him in french (so unusual for me...).
He was behind me while riding (up hill), he should have seen me, I still don't understand why he came so close to me on that wide empty run. Thing is that He couldn't really anticipate my turn

so I was very, so lucky we didn't crash, get badly hurt. This snowboarder seemed to ride pretty well, was clearly not a beginner but still, we both almost crashed...

Rules while riding, ok we need them but I dare to say 'whatever'. For me riding is like driving, living, sometimes it seems, it is just so unfair. You can be as careful as possible, you just cannot control everything, other behaviors, your fate neither your friends'.

To all of you, people and riders, carpe diem and take care, LuvU.

Post by **Silber** » Wednesday 26 September 2007, 16:50

It has happened to me 3 times this year alone...my Dragon is still scarred from the impact with a skier.. while in another occasion somebody's else swoard was destroyed...

well, I think is time to formulate Silber Murphy's Law:

If two snowboarders/skiers or one snowboarder (in front) and a skier are alone on a wide piste they are going to collide before the end of the piste.

Post by **István** » Wednesday 26 September 2007, 18:26

Fra, let's admit, if it comes to accidents, you are a uniqe person, right?

Post by **Silber** » Wednesday 26 September 2007, 18:54

oh yess...

BTW...Pitzal!! Although I will probably be able to take only Friday off.. Prepare the wine..

Post by **Ohawa** » Thursday 27 September 2007, 14:17

Yes - and there are sometimes moments when you ride at the same speed with somebody on your side and you keep saying to yourself: well he won't do that, he won't do it, while he thinks EXACTLY the same - and you avoid the crash at the last moment.
Eaglefly: your native language comes always first, I know that pretty well when climbing too difficult route:-) Then I swear in my native language

Post by **e_wi** » Thursday 27 September 2007, 20:40

I just started to make one of my first layed down turns, as for the third day we were filming and I wanted to do my best...down the slope was a groupe with a ESF teacher and I thought that by the time I would be down the others below would have moved.....but what a pitty, I was wrong and on a frontside I fully hit the teacher and cracked his titanium-carbon ski-bar(stick) in 2 pieces, it broke between my board and his skiboot....to bad for me, I had to pay, but most important: he wasn't hurt...now I really am looking uphill all the time before I start and watch down that everyone is gone.

Post by **Hans** » Friday 28 September 2007, 0:07

...................... beware if Eric (e wi) is on PISTE

Post by **e_wi** » Friday 28 September 2007, 8:15

Hans, when will we carve again?

Post by **Hans** » Friday 28 September 2007, 10:39

e_wi wrote:Hans, when will we carve again?

If you go first down the mountain then I will follow you.....................

You reckless............

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