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Swoard Extremecarver Gen3 vs a copy attempt

Post by lars_backstrom » Thursday 19 December 2013, 8:00

How would you compare the Virus X-treme Carver to a Swoard Extremecarver? I ride mostly on a 175H 3rd generation.

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Re: Swoard Extremecarver Gen3 vs a copy attempt

Post by Arnaud » Thursday 19 December 2013, 8:27

Hi Lars

I had the chance to test the XTrem Titanal (176) this week end at Hintertux. It's not a bad board, but its behaviour in EC is not at the level of your Swoard Gen3. I would compare it, to the Swoard 1st generation, produced 10 years ago.
I suggest you to test the Gen4 that has a better dampening. In Hintertux, many Gen3 owners who tested the Gen4 found a great improvement. The new Pro model is even better.
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Re: Swoard Extremecarver Gen3 vs a copy attempt

Post by lars_backstrom » Thursday 19 December 2013, 10:11

Tanks for feedback! I guess you are bit partial to Swoard. Just a guess :D Never heard of the pro model?

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Re: Swoard Extremecarver Gen3 vs a copy attempt

Post by Arnaud » Thursday 19 December 2013, 11:49

partial ... no :) : I tried 4 different boards the same day on the same slope with the same gear (boots + bindings), so the differences between the boards were clearly visible. Be sure that I prefer to keep quiet instead of telling lies.
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Re: Swoard Extremecarver Gen3 vs a copy attempt

Post by István » Thursday 19 December 2013, 11:55

Well, I do not know how it rides compared to Swoard Gen 1-2-3 / Pro, because I have not ridden those boards.....

I'm sure Arnaud has done a thorough testing..... One other potential source for feedback is Frank who produced this board and Gen2 Swoard, too.

Anyhow, you can test it if we can arrange logistics, I can even take it to Zinal with me, or we can meet somewhere in Austria. Cheers

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Re: Swoard Extremecarver Gen3 vs a copy attempt

Post by fivat » Thursday 19 December 2013, 15:10

Hello Lars,

The builder which István mentions was a subcontractor (to whom we gave our specifications and our materials), not the developer of our boards, and for sure not an EC specialist (since he is not at the origin of EC, but rather a specialist of skinny boards). We stopped the production because of no satisfaction and other problems. Gen2 was made in 2005... It's so old... No need to speak about this again.

We recommend you going to "Virus Testival" in Sölden to test this brand and all its models.
As we recommend participating in the "Swoard ECS" in Zinal to test Swoard and learn (or progress at) EC as many others have done before. We brought not only a new type of boards to the public, but also a ride technique (EC) to benefit fully from all advantages of our particular and wide snowboards.
Arnaud wrote:I suggest you to test the Gen4 that has a better dampening. In Hintertux, many Gen3 owners who tested the Gen4 found a great improvement. The new Pro model is even better.
I confirm this, as the feelings of many participants. We don't change the top sheet for fashion. We change it when we develop and experience a nice improvement of performances on snow.
This is the same with the Extremecarver Pro, designed for the advanced extremecarvers with exclusive technologies. Detailed info soon.

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Re: Swoard Extremecarver Gen3 vs a copy attempt

Post by Peti » Thursday 19 December 2013, 21:30

Where is the popcorn-smiley? :silly:

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Re: Swoard Extremecarver Gen3 vs a copy attempt

Post by nils » Friday 20 December 2013, 11:04

Hej Lars,

I suggest you ask riders that have had the opportunity to test both boards at Hintertux the previous week end.

Another point which can be of importance is the durability of the boards...but this can also be a controversial subject! ;)
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Re: Swoard Extremecarver Gen3 vs a copy attempt

Post by Abrax » Friday 20 December 2013, 21:15

:-) This year I have tested a very first new board from the new production line in the new factory. As we all know, quality is one of the most important factors and we do not wish you to experience any problems on this field.

So before we have let all the boards produced I was trying to harm 168M model. I weight 83 kg at the moment so the board was a bit overweighted. I was jumping 2m high, trying to break the board by making nosepresses, tailpressess, sone noserolls as well. I have done rapid race style cut turns after a jump from turn to turn, so I was really testing the board hard. It was a very beginning of th season in Livigno, so the board was tested on ice, melted snow, heavy snow and the result was as expected: nothing has happened. Not even a minimal delamination or any effect on the board.

So I can guarantee myself that our boards are really rock solid. :bravo:
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Re: Swoard Extremecarver Gen3 vs a copy attempt

Post by Tadej Srpcic » Friday 20 December 2013, 23:11

I would be very happy to agree with everything what you said, but I think, I have my doubts.

Throwing it on the nose, on the tail jumping 2meters high(was that a big air or what) doing some race style turns and you didn't manage to deform it by any way? That sounds a little bit unreal to me. You ask why? Because there is too much physicist in me. If you didn't manage to deform it, that would probably mean, that your board is very, very stiff. Stiff board is very hard to bend, and that means inability to do a carving turn. That's a fact generally speaking.
Looking on this thing from my (extreme carving experience) point of view is like that: I won't say, that I broke many boards in my life, but I have seen many deformed boards in my experience. My personal experience is, that I have bended serial production 180cm Kessler and we also just managed to "transform" 185 custom made Kessler from camber shape into rocker shape, and also 185cm custom made Oxess (after 7 days on snow) all boards were plated. And we didn't d jump or throwing them intentionally on the nose or something similar. Those boards are all "champions high-end products" and wery well respected in the world of carving. And believe me, those boards are really solid hard, and if you want them to work properly, you need to push really hard, to get the most out of them. Having said that, any further comparation is irrelevant even considering that we do extreme carving with boards, which are meant to be driven between the gates.

I didn't mean to said anything against any board, by any way, I was just saying and explaining experiences from our local Extreme Carving Team.

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Re: Swoard Extremecarver Gen3 vs a copy attempt

Post by Abrax » Saturday 21 December 2013, 7:48

Sure, maybe I was a bit imprecise with 2m high jump... It was not a big air but a kind of jump, which let it far above the shoulders (IMO) but you know how it is , you always keep it bigger than it usually is. The fact is that I was trying to harm the board as hard as I could and I was not able to manage it. Probably you are right that if one of those jumps would end on a tail or on a nose, the board would be broken anyway... Or maybe I should test the board for deformations a bit more precise... I didn't see any defects after those tries so I didn't do any further research.
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Re: Swoard Extremecarver Gen3 vs a copy attempt

Post by Tadej Srpcic » Sunday 22 December 2013, 12:26

Now we agree! ;) Boards nowadays are very good and in very good shape. But the problem is to deform it, not to broke it... After beeing bended, or deformed it looses all it's juice. I hope, you know what I mean. I also see another problem in heavily groomed pistes. We ride mostly in Austria and Italy(dolomites) in start of the season, they have only artificial snow there which is very unfriendly to the nose. We have experienced lots of grab and releases during each frontside and that is also one of the reasons why we ride with plates. But that however is another story. Natural snow like in Livigno is very friendly to board noses and very predictable.
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Re: Swoard Extremecarver Gen3 vs a copy attempt

Post by fivat » Monday 23 December 2013, 9:55

Boards which are irreversibly deformed is a well known issue for many brands.
Personally I never saw, or was never reported, such a problem on a Swoard. The exception was the case of one board with urethane tail made in 2007: the tail was slightly bent. Then we decided to use only aluminium tails.

I think that Nils was referring rather to delamination problems.
We have seen in Hintertux an expensive board from another brand whose top sheet totally delaminated from tip to tail! Shit happens... but I had never seen such a big delamination in my life.

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Re: Swoard Extremecarver Gen3 vs a copy attempt

Post by olive » Monday 23 December 2013, 13:26

fivat wrote:Boards which are irreversibly deformed is a well known issue for many brands.
Personally I never saw, or was never reported, such a problem on a Swoard.
I have been the happy owner of a Gen3 Swoard for 6 winters (30 to 40 days on the snow every winter). I have never kept a board for so long. I use it in a "normal" way (no jumps, no stunts, no acrobatics), but when you see on the pictures how the board bends during extremecarving, I think it is a wonder that it does not suffer overtime. According to Patrice it might have just lost some stiffness. I just sold it and am now the happy owner of a Pro model; after 2 days riding it I didn't really feel a difference in stiffness (but I didn't test both boards the same day).

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