An opinion about "Carved"

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Post by starikashka » Wednesday 1 April 2009, 15:35

Pokkis :-) I still convinced that HQ is just a luxury :-) We have learned EC by watching Opuses in low quality...and this was enough :-) For a certain baisic level...

:-) despite the fact that Patrice is saying that I do not understand EC that much to be able explain this to others :-) my short vid can advocate for me anyway :-)

BTW - Patrice, once i watching the show on Discovery channel. The main idea of the show is usage of highspeed camera to watch the action then in turtle speed. Why not use something like this...They shooting stupid things like boxing, water sliding, jumping cheerleaders (it`s i think best part of the show ) and many other...so, propose them to shoot you in action. Would be great to see this on TV :-)
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Post by fivat » Wednesday 1 April 2009, 16:41

TV? :oops: Already Eurosport, Sport+ and TSR1:
https://www.extremecarving.com/swoard/press_tv.html (see bottom of page)

But Discovery Channel would be great because it has a worldwide broadcast! ;-)
The difficulty is often to get sunny days and no fresh snow when the crew comes for the shooting.

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Post by starikashka » Wednesday 1 April 2009, 20:02

In russia we have a saying that water does not go under laying stone :-) get discovery to shoot :-)

last publication is about 2 years ago
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Post by fivat » Wednesday 1 April 2009, 20:26

Last update you mean. ;-)
There are 3-4 new things.
Thanks for your patience till this summer.

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Post by starikashka » Thursday 2 April 2009, 14:21

Ok :-) Do not mean patiency :-) i do not have it :-)
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Post by Jonas Rejman » Saturday 4 April 2009, 2:00

Hi guys,

I thought "La Carvesina" might be something more for the actionfans. A big thanks goes to Ralph Reinle, a guy from Brazil, who did quite some hard work on that, with me being a super-ass, till we got it right.

@azaz44
Thank you for the time you took to write your criticism.

It seems to me, that you were looking more for a teaching video for extremecarving, which Carved is certainly not.

I am afraid, that you do quite understand what Carved was about. What the community around Jacques and Patrice and extremecarving is about.

You ride for 2 years. You are used to be entertained by brands, you are used to be charmed by freebies, you are used to be given stuff, be given 2 hours movies that are mainstream for the money you paid on Carved. Stuff that is for masses. Stuff that wants to be pretty, that wants to please. Stuff that makes money on large volume sales.

Nothing wrong with that, nothing wrong with you, except that this community and this project is about everything else, but none of the above. For a very short time, I was part of something that is hardcore, non-compromise and where passion and emotions are boiling. And the incredible thing is, that each year around 300 of those freaks come together from all over the world, and celebrate and carve like there was no tomorrow. And they are all here, on this forum.

I decided to do salute them, for what they are doing. In my way. Trust me, a lot of people did not like Carved initially, and discovered its qualities later. Some not. But I was always given respect for what I tried to accomplish, because we went out there, and did our best. Did we fight? Hell, yeah! Against nature, among each other, egos crushing, nerves boiling. But what always remained was respect.

If you tell, me that you are yawning at the 90 seconds shot you see in this short, I guess there is nothing that will excite you. You may continue to yawn your life away, man.

EC is a thing, that needs absolute commitment. Time and money-wise. Like making a movie. If you wanna learn EC, you will pay a lot of money for gear and travel, you will sweat, curse, bleed and it will hurt. It will physically hurt all your bodyparts. It will totally suck at times. You will either give up, or you will get it. That will define who you are.


You say that its not about the price you paid for my movie? Why do I read it five times in your post, then? So somehow it is about the money, right? Of course it is - we all need to live somehow. I hate when people are frustrated, and because you took your time to say what you wanted to say, because you are not yet one of us, I will return you the money.

For me, those who paid for Carved, even when they already saw it "somewhere" else, did pay respect what we have done with this movie. It is a symbol, because if I was trying to make money with such a film, I would be insane. It is for me a vote, that it made sense to do it in the first place, to leap into the unknown, get our asses kicked, by some avalanches and snowstorms.

Please contact me offline, so we can sort it out. You know the email.


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I would like to thank you all, who are doing this sport. I did not ride this year, as I was hired to build a camera department at a posthouse, and was happy to eat properly in the 4 months it took to do it. I missed EC, I missed this crazy, inspiring extreme. I hope I will be able to return to Zinal one day, to ride along with some of you.

And feel alive and free.

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Post by ralphreinle » Saturday 4 April 2009, 18:23

Hi guys,

My name is Ralph Reinle and I am the guy who edit and color graded the La Carvesina. Directed by Jonas Rejman, we came with a version that is faster and has more "action". It was a lot of work but I am very happy with the final result!

I am not a snowboarder myself (kind of hard to find snow around here in Brazil!) but I hope it meets your expectations and you guys have fun watching it as I had editing it!

Cheers!

Ralph

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Post by raphael » Saturday 4 April 2009, 19:21

Carved is expensived for 12 euros ? :lol:

But you missed the point. It's even more expensive than that. Because you need to buy a proper home cinema and 1080p projector to enjoy it. And then, I can tell you... you will feel there is something quiet special here. 8)
... and you will definitely want for more. Badly.

Then you will buy a ticket to Zinal, buy a Swoard, buy Head Stratos Pro, tune them...
And even then, you will still be frustrated because learning EC takes quiet some dedication (or at least some personal training with the pros).

So is Carved expensive ?

Oh yeah it is !

Yet most good things are. ;)
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Post by starikashka » Saturday 4 April 2009, 21:41

:-) you guys so polite :-) if i was you i would say to theme starter - F@*k you man!! here is your 12 euro :-) instead of posting such a long messages :-) fortunately i`m not :-)
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Re: An opinion about "Carved"

Post by AZ » Saturday 4 April 2009, 22:24

fivat wrote:For example the final camera-chase is a "once in a life time" moment.
Hello - me again.
I often wondered how that sequence of P&J going down the Barthlelemy was filmed.
Jonas: could you give us some details on how you got to film that part?
I know that slope is VERY steep (last year, during my first ECS, I fell somewhere half way down and I happily slid all the way down to the bottom - and I wasn't the only one doing the big slide: at the bottom there was snow with red markings: someone must have tried to steer with his nose during the slide. But I digress ...)
Anyway: what kind of "vehicle" was used as a platform for the filming on that final chase scene? I thought maybe a snowcat or snowmobile, but I think it it would be quite frightening to come straight down on one of those.
A sled tethered from above?
Did you have to use some sort of dynamic stabilizer (like a gyroscope)?
How close did Patrice come to running into the filming crew in one of those turns? (it sure looked like a near miss - as they say in aviation).
Inquiring minds would like to know ...

By the way: if I may comment on the Carved movie: I think that we (readers of this forum) tend to look at it with "instructional eyes", that is, we look at the "moves" of P&J, how they rotate shoulders, hips, whatever, (I know, I never rotate enough...), how they pull or push etc.
So, one evening that we had some friends for dinner, I showed "Carved" to my guests. They do not do ANY snowboarding, so they were not trying to see "how is it done". They looked at it purely from the artistic point of view. And they LOVED it! (I had to play it again for them).

Finally, I live in Trento (Italy), where every year we have the "international film festival" for mountain and exploration movies
http://www.trentofestival.it/
Jonas: have you considered submitting it there?

Ciao to all and thank you Jonas for a great movie.
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Post by Transistor Rhythm » Sunday 5 April 2009, 11:43

Can it be I saw the full version on youtube just a week ago and it has vanished since?

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Post by raphael » Sunday 5 April 2009, 12:32

No it is still there (search a little more ;) ).

We are trying to have it removed. But the legalities take some time.

Really this video is a pain.
It is not even good quality. And if we wanted to post it now with better quality, youtube's new automatic-duplicates-detection would delete our version immediately.

So it will definitely disappear sooner or later.
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Re: An opinion about "Carved"

Post by raphael » Sunday 5 April 2009, 12:43

AZ wrote:By the way: if I may comment on the Carved movie: I think that we (readers of this forum) tend to look at it with "instructional eyes", that is, we look at the "moves" of P&J, how they rotate shoulders, hips, whatever, (I know, I never rotate enough...), how they pull or push etc.
So, one evening that we had some friends for dinner, I showed "Carved" to my guests. They do not do ANY snowboarding, so they were not trying to see "how is it done". They looked at it purely from the artistic point of view. And they LOVED it! (I had to play it again for them).
Yeah, this was exactly our goal. :twisted:

This is a video to show to your friends, so they understand your passion. This a video to make you proud of being an extremecarver.

Apart from making a beautiful film, we wanted people totally ignorant of extremecarving to be fascinated, and make them want to do alpine snowboarding. In a way it is a commercial.

You guys are not the target, you are already hooked. :P
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Post by raphael » Sunday 5 April 2009, 12:50

Transistor Rhythm wrote:Just by coincidence I saw it on youtube and I must say I was a bit underwhelmed.
Of course you are underwhelmed. Calling youtube's quality underwhelming is quiet an understatement.

If the screen you are watching it on is less than 2 meters wide, you have seen nothing at all.

Note that sound is important to... must be deep and LOUD.
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Post by rilliet » Sunday 5 April 2009, 15:11

Just sothat everyone knows the difference of involvement between digital video in DVD quality and digital cinema in 2K, 4K and 120 frames/sec quality:

Opus 1 needed a VHS-C camera in a bag.
Opus 2 to 4 needed a pocket DV camera.
Opus 1 to 4 needed to take the camera with us when the weather was shining. We had the whole season to work.
Opus 1 to 4 needed Patrice Fivat and myself (Jacques Rilliet) on the slope: one is filming when the other one is riding.
Nils Degrémont edited Opus 1 and 3, myself Opus 2 and Patrice Opus 4 at home on our personal computers. Takes a lot of time indeed.

Carved needed a Ford Transit full of professional broadcasting equipment with two cinema Red One cameras (the only two available in Switzerland at that time). A team of about 10 professional people during one week one the slopes. They were all sleeping in a small chalet at 2500m.
Carying the equipement on the slopes needs a lot of people and adjusting everything about one hour.
Editing needs specialists in a broadcasting studio with dedicated high performance computers.

Of course, looking Carved and the 4 opuses on youtube makes no difference... :dogeyes:

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