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boots flex modifications

Post by Viviane » Monday 16 February 2009, 20:19

Question to J & P:

I am reading and hearing a lot about the flex modification on our boots.
(p.e. BTS Deeluxe)
Did you modify your boots?
Is it really neccesary?
Is it impossible to bend your knees enough without them?
Does the eventual spring modification give your boots more fluently flex to the front as well as backwards?
Or is it fixed in a more frontal position?

Hope my questions are not bluhrrr ( :roll: ) and the answers helpfull to more people.
Thanks a lot!
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Post by pokkis » Monday 16 February 2009, 20:36

Yes you can ride and flex boots even without BTS, but you can EC also without Swoard :wink:
But with BTS adjusting is so much easier and flex is so smooth.
Strongly recommend :bravo:

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Post by ngsam » Monday 16 February 2009, 21:13

Viviane,

riding without Arnaud's ACSS would be a nightmare for me. Muche more comfortable and it's now much easier to flex the leg to apply Patrice and jack's technic.

For me this it's just a kind of evidence like to ride on a swoard.

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Post by starikashka » Monday 16 February 2009, 21:15

pokkis wrote:Yes you can ride and flex boots even without BTS, but you can EC also without Swoard :wink:
But with BTS adjusting is so much easier and flex is so smooth.
Strongly recommend :bravo:
I have BTS - recommend!! Much better than original RAB and 5steps switch.
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Post by Dida » Tuesday 17 February 2009, 14:47

Greetings,
Can anyone compare the flex of Indy+BTS vs. the flex of the Le Mans (with the 5 step sistem)?

I've been riding Indys for 2 seasons and changed back to my old Le Mans this season because of their far far softer flex. And I was really satisfied with Le Mans because it's all about having fun and I enjoy them 10 times more than the Indys. The RAB sistem doesn't flex at all. It's completely static whilst the Le Mans flexes nicely due to the softer shell.

And now I feel "bad" for having top of the line Indys sitting at home and I would upgrade them with the BTS if the BTS would make them flex like the Le Mans. But they are so freaking stiff that I can't believe anything would make them flex nicely.

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Post by pokkis » Tuesday 17 February 2009, 15:21

RAB will also flex, but poorly, if you have correct size springs there :wink:
5-step system flexes as poorly, but more, than basic RAB.
With BTS and correct springs Indys flex like dream, just start rather with softer springs and then go for stiffer ones, if needed. I would say that go with standard yellows.

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Post by starikashka » Tuesday 17 February 2009, 16:36

+1 to Pokkis

I have indy and suzuka in my set :-) both equipped with BTS. I did not try Le Mans, but my indys are very flexible....and even if Le Mans with switch have same flex as indys with BTS i would prefer last one because they work correctly and bend. LeMans are working like softboots and crumple.
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Post by Dida » Tuesday 17 February 2009, 17:58

Thanks guys.
Well, BTS seems to be the way to go. Plus, the red Indys look better with my suit. :P
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Re: flex modifications

Post by fivat » Tuesday 17 February 2009, 22:04

Viviane wrote:Question to J & P:

I am reading and hearing a lot about the flex modification on our boots.
(p.e. BTS Deeluxe)
Did you modify your boots?
Jacques was already modifying his boots in the eighties! 8O I remember clearly how he modified the first alpine snowboard boots: the famous model form Raichle which was green and white. I benefited a lot from Jacques' excellent (and avant-garde) ideas. :bravo: We also modified the following models from Raichle, then the Blax model (which became the Head model). In 1997 or 1998 we bought the Northwave 900. Our modification was published in 2002 here (look at the picture of the boots).
At that time, all the alpine boots had become stiffer and stiffer... or painful (what were arguments for many riders to quit alpine snowboarding). :-( We are glad to see that many riders now modify the original springs of their boots. Some manufacturers and individuals have even started to produce and sell ready to use kits.
It's crazy how things evolve...
Viviane wrote:Is it really necessary?
It has been the key to the development of our "push-pull" technique (and extremecarving in consequence). The "avalement", as discussed recently here, is crucial.
Viviane wrote:Is it impossible to bend your knees enough without them?
Hardly. At racing however you need stiff boots. It's different. As always, all depends on what you want to do.
Viviane wrote:Does the eventual spring modification give your boots more fluently flex to the front as well as backwards?
Or is it fixed in a more frontal position?
The flex is higher to the front than to the back of course. Look at the pictures: there are 2 springs. A long one (sometimes a series of 2-3 springs) for the flex to the front, and a short (and hard) one for the backwards move.

I hope this will help you. Now there are many "specialists" about the question, like Arnaud in the #1 position. ;-)

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Post by Viviane » Tuesday 17 February 2009, 22:18

Patrice,

thanks a lot for the explanation. Everything seems clear to me now.
The BTS is ordered, so I will have work to do next week!

Also thanks to Pokkis and Samantha who convinced me with the fact that modification is an allmost natural thing belonging to extreme carving.

Greetings to you all,
viviane

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Post by everts72 » Wednesday 18 February 2009, 22:29

I have home made bts on my deeluxe indy's, but I think it works great.

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Head Stratos Pro / BTS possible or not?

Post by Roelh » Thursday 10 September 2009, 15:18

On bomber site: Does Not work on earlier SB121 Raichle boots. Stock BTS does not work on the HEAD Stratos pro boots.

What is the best to do? I would like to buy new boots with BTS system. Stratos Pro is recommended......

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Post by Roelh » Thursday 10 September 2009, 15:41

or is the solution to buy deeluxe track 225 with BTS? I have old burton reactor boots now. They are huge in lenght... 33 cm for size 43 (28 mondo).

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Post by manuchill » Thursday 10 September 2009, 22:12

or order a pair of Stratos Pro's and ask Arnaud to mount the ACSS
(it's kind of like the BTS for the deeluxe/raichle shoes, if i'm correct)
SWOARD EC Pro 175H + F2 Race Titanium + Head Stratos Pro with ACSS attached personally by Arnaud ;)

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Deeluxe track 225 or 325?

Post by Roelh » Friday 11 September 2009, 7:31

225 is softer then 325.... what is best for ec? Is 225 to soft perhaps (with BSA)?

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