Beginners carving setup

[rowies]

Hello,

I'm looking for a alpine board and some hardboots. I have not much experience in alpine boarding. (5years of softboots, 1year hardboots)

I'm thinking of buying my own equipment what do you suggest? Head or Deeluxe?

Are there some alpine boards from around 300€.

Can you put hardboot bindings on every snowboard? or only on alpine boards,

Thx

Next snowtrip is Superdevoluy France

[Transistor Rhythm]

All snowboards have the same holes so you can put any binding on any board these days. Head and Deeluxe are both good boots it depends on your feet and preference which ones are more comfortable. I believe Head are more for wide feet (like mine).

I'd take a look on ebay.de for second hand boards and maybe even boots (but it takes a bit of luck and good preparation to buy good boots second hand without trying them....). You can't buy decent alpine gear new for that price, or it must be old stuck you stumble upon.

[rowies]

Thanks Transistor Rhythm,

I have big feet, 46(EUR), Going try to find a shop who's have both brands of boots and try them in the shop. Ill try to rent a board this year and maybe buy one next year. Or at the end of the season maybe they lower the price.

I prefer to buy some good stuff and wait a little longer...

Are there larger boards for big foot people ?
Last year my toe's where coming over the edge of the board and that is really sh*t.

[Transistor Rhythm]

There aren't many shops selling just one brand in the benelux. Most shops just sell Deeluxe if they sell at all. I like Head but most people prefer Deeluxe. If Deeluxe has a nice fit for you don't worry about Head being better.

Wider carve boards:

- Swoard (not really that wide just classical alpine)
- Pureboarding Two (extra wide version available)
- Rad Air Tanker
- Boarder Cross (BX) boards by Oxess etc.

I bought a second hand Hot Special off Marktplaats.nl, you can find all sorts of older carving gear there if you look out for it. Again, eBay.de, better boards, more boards but also more expensive sometimes (because more alpine buyers look there).

[starikashka]

Rowies - you can "easily" fix your problem

I have also big feet - 29.5 mondo point, which, i think equals 44 or 45 boot size. You can get boots with termoflex liner, but this would require professional bootfitter assistance. My own experience tells that you can "easily" reduce outer size by 20 mm compared to hardboot with regular inner boot. But you will need professional help in this case.

This guy rocks with same boot size so, this is not a problem.

[rowies]

Starikashka ,

Wich boots do you have?
I have found a store who sells Deeluxe, Friday I go to try some
I think the deeluxe boots have thermo liners. What's the best for beginners? Boots with a high flex of a low flex

I think ill choose one of those...
Deeluxe track 325 or
Deeluxe track 225

and for the bindings
F2 carve RS or
F2 race titanium

[Transistor Rhythm]

RAB (default Deeluxe) or better even BTS spring systems should regulate the 'stiffness' of your boot, not so much the flex of the shell itself. There is much info to be found on this site and http://www.bomberonline.com about modifying and setting up your boots.

F2 bindings are nice, both Deeluxe boots too.

It depends more on your budget what you get.

What shop are you visiting?

[starikashka]

rowies

I have deluxe boots - indy ( i spent previous season in it) and suzuka. Both have moldable liners. first boots are 29MP, second - 27MP. I intentionally get smaller boots to make board respond quicker

You do not need to follow my way because this will require to pass masochistic bootfitting procedure, which could not be succesful from first time. Look a video how i prepare my feet to make a bootfitting It`s in russian language, but what you will see tells for itself.
Do not try to repeat this
http://www.noredirectionallowed/cv/starikashka/kak ... kashka.wmv

The only thing you need to know - boots has to be comfortable(termoflex can provide this comfort) and not too stiff for you. I personally prefer stiff boots with device that can adjust stiffness - BTS from bomberonline.
I think this forum has lot of information how to choose right boots.

F2 is good bindings. Many riders use them, i have intec titanium. I also use Catek - the only problem with those bindings is that it provide dangerously wide field of experiments which is not that beginner needs - knees will not support that experiments

But be careful listening everybody. Only experienced riders can give right advice. I just explaining my own experience being not that experienced rider.

[rowies]

RAB (default Deeluxe) or better even BTS spring systems should regulate the 'stiffness' of your boot, not so much the flex of the shell itself. There is much info to be found on this site and http://www.bomberonline.com about modifying and setting up your boots.

F2 bindings are nice, both Deeluxe boots too.

It depends more on your budget what you get.

What shop are you visiting?

Its http://www.seazons.be. The Belgium Deeluxe importer gave me the adres.

[rowies]

rowies

I have deluxe boots - indy ( i spent previous season in it) and suzuka. Both have moldable liners. first boots are 29MP, second - 27MP. I intentionally get smaller boots to make board respond quicker

You do not need to follow my way because this will require to pass masochistic bootfitting procedure, which could not be succesful from first time. Look a video how i prepare my feet to make a bootfitting It`s in russian language, but what you will see tells for itself.
Do not try to repeat this
http://www.noredirectionallowed/cv/starikashka/kak ... kashka.wmv

The only thing you need to know - boots has to be comfortable(termoflex can provide this comfort) and not too stiff for you. I personally prefer stiff boots with device that can adjust stiffness - BTS from bomberonline.
I think this forum has lot of information how to choose right boots.

F2 is good bindings. Many riders use them, i have intec titanium. I also use Catek - the only problem with those bindings is that it provide dangerously wide field of experiments which is not that beginner needs - knees will not support that experiments

But be careful listening everybody. Only experienced riders can give right advice. I just explaining my own experience being not that experienced rider.

Whow what a preparation for the bootfiting. I supose that the thermo stuff proces in the shop is a little easier

Thanks all for the information!!!!

[starikashka]

Yep shops provide a lille bit simpler procedure for a bootfitting:-) this was me, preparing my feet to get squezzed into 20 mm smaller thermoflex liner. We do not have enough good bootfitters in Moscow, so we do this by our own. Those shops selling hardboots provide very poor quality of bootfitting - one guy said that he would be happy to cut out his feets after 1 hour riding in the boots which he bought and fit in one of Moscow shops. So, poor we are

Do not ask me why i do need to squeeze my feet it`s not explainable in my english

[rowies]

I've found a bootfitter , tomorrow my wife is taken some lessons on a indoor slope, If the store is open i'm gooing for it

Question,

I'm 1m86 for 79Kg, im thinking of buying a F2 ELIMINATOR, but don't know wich size to choose, two options, the 163cm wide or the 168cm
I was thinking about the 163W because of my foot size (mondo 30)
normal.

The 163W dimensions:
Length / cm 163
effective edge / mm 1310
nose width / mm 303,7
waist width / mm 256
tail width / mm 300,7
sidecut radius / m 8,8

The 167 dimensions
Length / cm 167
effective edge / mm 1360
nose width / mm 299,7
waist width / mm 250
tail width / mm 296,7
sidecut radius / m 9,2

http://www.f2-snow.com/htdocs/boards-el ... &setnav=22

[starikashka]

it`s a nice board that known by moto - stiffest board for a softboot bindings - any other questions? ))))

I was thinking that people arond the world are different significantly...but carving beginners are completely identical in their stupid intentions to do small steps into hardbooting. Buying eliminator is a typical intention of many people ))) Man, do not make such stupid things as buing wide BX board to learn carving There are much more options around that fits better!!!

And question for yourself, which you have to answer first - what style you like more - EC, race, bomber, toiletsitting, unknownpersonalstyle, - then choosing the board will be much easier.

[raphael]

Question,

I'm 1m86 for 79Kg, im thinking of buying a F2 ELIMINATOR, but don't know wich size to choose, two options, the 163cm wide or the 168cm
I was thinking about the 163W because of my foot size (mondo 30)
normal.

The 163W dimensions:
waist width / mm 256

The 167 dimensions
waist width / mm 250

Much TOO LARGE !!!

[rowies]

So the Eliminator is not really good setup for hardboots...

I would like to start EC, what do you think about the silberpfeil.
Is that a better choise? Or maybe I just buy a swoard 175M (is it no problem for bigfoots like me?

What's the delivery time for a swoard to Belgium?
The board needs to be here before 28 februari