Burton Six 5? Someone heard? + Is it a Nidecker Proto?

[Kita]

Hi, this is my first post here, so welcome everybody.

I ride a snowboard about 7 years, last time I was riding a board of Limited 4 You, but now I see this is a time for other board and I've got questions.

1. Burton Six 5 - someone heard something about this? Can tell something?
I will give you some photos of this, too. But if someone would know to what style of riding, for who is this board and other things about this, I will really thank you.
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Also it has bindings Burton 3D. Is it a truth?

2. Nidecker Proto. The offer is called: ''Nidecker Proto 158". But I was looking for this board in the Internet and didn't find anything. Every photo of this Nidecker is incorrect with photos of Nideckers in the Internet. Please, just look on it.




It's written, that bindings are from Burton.
I also plead you abot some opinions, what do you think?

3. These two boards I probably could have in a very, very low prices. It means about 60 euros for the board and bindings. Is it worth of buying?


Really enormous thanks for helping,
cheers.

[frunobulax]

Hi Kita, have a warm welcome..

Both of the boards are very, very old. My first estimate would be 1996. The Nidecker Proto exists still, but the shape has changed very much. The proto has always been a crossover-carving-board, designed for medium skilled snowboarders for piste as well as offpiste purposes.
If I remember it correctly, the Burton was - at that time - a carving board one step below the real raceboard. BUT - we speak of asymmetrical boards, which shouldn't be bought anymore. The reason for that is that you have to adapt yor riding style when switching between symmetrical and asymmetrical boards.

The Burton bindings are ok, but not more than that.
The binding on the Burton seems to be a Raceplate, which is a fairly good binding you can get very cheap these days via ebay.
The second one looks cheaper. Wouldn't buy that one.

Conclusion:
Don't buy. Not because of the price, but because I wouldn't recommend riding one of these boards.

Please tell us more about your riding skills, your aims, your weight, height, and your financial limits I'm quite sure we can help you.

[Silber]

Ciao!

I actually still own a Burton PJ 5.6 (the one in the photo). The year is 1991!!! Is actually my first alpine board.

The bindings actually are a later model. The original sold with this model were a little different (the length has to be adjusted manually with a stupid system that was in fact replaced shortly after) but already 3D (as all burtons).

The price is very good considering the historic value. However, the board is very flexible and short. So...it really depends on what you want to use it for...

Ciao
Francesco

[Kita]

Oh, really thanks for answers.

First, I've looked at ebay.com and I see low prices, it means in comparing with prices in Poland. For example K2 Believer on Ebay 350 Euros (about 1175 zł), in Poland 1320 zł (about 393 Euro). Burton Blunt - 275 Euros (925 zlotes), in Poland - 1650 zlotes (491 Euros).. So it can be problematic, I mean my financial limit.
And of course a issue of availability of produckts in my country (in our "Internet centre of buying" there are 4 race- or carving- boards... (link here if you want to see).. I think you have much wider choice of used boards (new are more expensive).

But we can try.

I've ridden for 6-7 years, last 3-4 seasons on Limited4You S2 Edition 146 (sorry, I couldn't find any info now/probably All Mountain). I enjoy it, but I feel it could be better when I ride down with max speed and because of it I want faster board, I want to do sharp curves and do carving, so I need a fast snowboard.

I have 182 cm, 68 kg.


This Nidecker is surely odler than 1998 year, I asked Nidecker Poland, but they couldn't tell anything more, so you can be correct.


Historic value.., but can thay have a value good for riding, because they're old.


I wait for other propositions and opinions about these two under (because they are quite cheap, have bindings and are available).


Kita.

[frunobulax]

There are some things to say apart from board types and brands.

1. you're right if you look for something longer than a 146 board.. for 182/68 I would recommend something between 160 and 170 depending on the board type.
2. early summer is not the right time for buying snowboards. wait for october or november.
3. don't waste your money on boards that are only cheap. I do think that you can find a fine board for some 100 - 150 €.
4. don't buy asymmetrical snowboards (as mentioned above)- except you need something to decorate your garage walls.
5. place an ad in the classified sector and return to "2."
6. don't let silber fool you.. "historic value" sure.. Silber, would you buy my Mistral Aztec 1990 and Mistral Ecstasy 1.67 1992 for.. say.. 80 € each? With Elfgen bindings?

[Kita]

Ok, now I am absolutely sure. These boards are not for me and I won't buy them. Thanks for the help.

I will still look for something and I think as a winter comes, prices gets upper. But ok, it's a life...

I will speak to you, while I am in need.

Take care and good luck for a future.

Kita.


P.S. What's so bad in asymmetrical snowboards?

[frunobulax]

Fine.

Asys... hmmm.. long story..
Asys were designed in order to provide a better pressure distribution. The heels and toes of the rider should always be in the center of the heelside/toeside sidecut.
That was the idea.
But - to cut it short - the idea didn't work out that well, and production costs were too high. I don't say the idea was bad, but I would not recommend aysy because of the different riding technique they require.
When riding an asy, you have to shift your weight forward (in direction of the tip) on frontside turns, and backward (->tail) on backside turns.
So you need time for adaptation when beginning to ride an asy, and then again when you switch to a new board, because there aren't any new asys on the market (except for the pureboarding #one - which is a different story, and a handful of custom boards).

[Silber]

There are some things to say apart from board types and brands.
[...]
6. don't let silber fool you.. "historic value" sure.. Silber, would you buy my Mistral Aztec 1990 and Mistral Ecstasy 1.67 1992 for.. say.. 80 € each? With Elfgen bindings?

mmm...don't tempt me...my 15 boards could ask me to bring some new friends in!!! But if you had pictures....well, one can always give a look!!

By the way...if you like asys look at my smallest pet, a Pogo Hardcore from around 1994 (with the infamous elfgen bindings...

Ciao

[frunobulax]

BEEAAAAAUUUUUTIFUL!!!!!!


Ok I hereby confess that I threw away my X67 some years ago. I'm an idiot, I know. But my Aztec (pre-asy!!!) should be somewhere around, since I gave it to a friend of mine who never cleans his garage.
And I've definitely got one or two Nidecker Concept 1994 Asy Regular in my parents' cellar!!
And I don't know whether you've already seen these photos (from 1990) - sorry, I know I've already posted them:

[Kita]

Ok, so I think I owe you some explanations about what I have bought. It's not exaclty a board to EC, but FR. I mean Hammer Private from the season 03/04 (You can see the link here to this hammer (click!).

I am glad I didn't buy those board, what I was asking about (so anyway I am suppose to thank You!).. and I want to "enjoy" my new board in a following season.

I could buy a F2 Eliminator LTD or Voelkl Coal, but I decided on my Hammer, because it is in a very good condition and also it has great opinions. What do you think?

Or not, I'm not sure if we are able to speak here about this snowboard ;D, so I only inform you I own a Hammer Private and I am happy about this fact.