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Which hard boots?

Post by simima » Sunday 16 March 2008, 3:44

Hi all

I know that question has been asked, but I really can't find a complete and recent answer. So here we go: What hard boots do you ride and which one would you recommend?

My Raichle 325 decompose... so I need new boots, it seems.

I wasn't overly happy with the Raichle (alias Deeluxe), mainly because of the unadjustable flex, and the build quality.

These boots are sooooo hard to get - and even harder to try out. What to do? I really don't want to order blindly...

Thanks for your hints and tips!

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Hardboots

Post by Hans » Sunday 16 March 2008, 8:54

May be you can give us a hint with the wishes you have according the boots, may be I can help you out since I have a pair Northwaves .900 size 26.5 in spare.

- with what purpose do you ride (ex.carving, racing, carving)
- does the boots need to be superstiff or must be super flexible
- size
- stepin or standard
- and so on

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Post by starikashka » Sunday 16 March 2008, 8:58

Are you looking for boots that suitable for EC? So, you need to turn on your mind to get that :-) I`ve bought Deeluxe indy and get BTS kit to made flex adjustable, Denis ( his profile memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=1601) made some surgery to extend forward/backward movement on those :-) so, i think most of people can tell you to buy some boots and try to make Northwawe from them :-) Not sure about UPZ only - too stiff

That`s device`s effort
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left boot survive some surgery as you can notice.
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device

Post by Hans » Sunday 16 March 2008, 9:05

Hey, starikashka

That link of yours doesn't do it. I am very interested how you did that modification to your Indy's. Can you help me out ? ( I have Track 700)

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Post by starikashka » Sunday 16 March 2008, 9:55

Hans, link with the pictures only. Text is in Russian. You need to contact Denis, his nickname on this forum is device - i`ve posted the link on his profile. I think he has a translation of that modification.

I did not made such a mod on my indy as i can bend them same angle without cutting plastic :-)

Check out this - http://carving.noredirectionallowed/HTML/bt2.html

there are few pictures, lines on the boot shows which part of the boot need to be removed or thinned ( where canting adjustment placed ). If you will have a questions, ask Denis. He could help.
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Re: Hardboots

Post by simima » Sunday 16 March 2008, 11:14

Hans wrote:May be you can give us a hint with the wishes you have according the boots, may be I can help you out since I have a pair Northwaves .900 size 26.5 in spare.

- with what purpose do you ride (ex.carving, racing, carving)
- does the boots need to be superstiff or must be super flexible
- size
- stepin or standard
- and so on
Hans

Thanks

Yes, for EC, and standard binding (F2 Titanflex). Size? In Switzerland 43.5, I believe that is close to 26.5, but I'm not sure.
How can those sizes be translated?

That would be GREAT if your spare Northwaves would fit - but how can we find out?

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Post by starikashka » Sunday 16 March 2008, 11:23

Simon, measure your feet in millimeters, what size of boot you had before? mondo points.
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Seems to be too small

Post by simima » Sunday 16 March 2008, 13:35

Hmmmm..... My size 43.5 seems to be rather 270 mondopoints... so 26.5 is too small :(

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Post by Arnaud » Sunday 16 March 2008, 14:28

IMHO, 43.5 is 28.5
43 = 28
27.5 = 42.5

Consider also Head Stratos, which are really good for carving. Very comfortable and warm liner, with a good holding. "As is" they are quite stiff, and appreciated by racers, but with some tuning, they become great for EC.
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Post by starikashka » Sunday 16 March 2008, 15:12

we need to go to chinese guys and ask them to reborn northwaves .900
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virus issued boots with UPZ, so why SWOARD can`t do the same :) i understand that everything related to NW already buried, but :-) would be good.I`m ready to pay 400-500 EUR for new NW-like boots, as we have almost same price for Deeluxe and others which is still require engineering.
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Deeluxe 325T with BTS or Head Stratus Pro ??

Post by simima » Sunday 16 March 2008, 15:30

Hi again

So, after digging around the net it seems there are two serious alternatives with regard to boots:
- the Deeluxe 325T with the BTS spring system
- or the Head Stratus Pro.

Maybe you guys know:
? Which spring stiffness fits best for EC?
? Does the Head Stratus Pro need to be modified with the BTS as well?

Quite confusing, I must say :-/

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Head + ACSS !

Post by Arnaud » Sunday 16 March 2008, 16:06

Even if it's possible to mount the BTS on Head Stratos (see BOL forum to see the description), it's better to use the ACSS (viewtopic.php?t=1034), which I designed especially to be integrated in head shell. 2 set of springs are supplied.
Following feedback of many Head users, the softer combination is better for EC.

Head is better than Deeluxe for EC with Swoard board, because for the same feet size, the shell is shorter, so this allow lower angle without overhanging.
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Re: Deeluxe 325T with BTS or Head Stratus Pro ??

Post by Hans » Sunday 16 March 2008, 18:55

simima wrote:Hi again

So, after digging around the net it seems there are two serious alternatives with regard to boots:
- the Deeluxe 325T with the BTS spring system
- or the Head Stratus Pro.

Maybe you guys know:
? Which spring stiffness fits best for EC?
? Does the Head Stratus Pro need to be modified with the BTS as well?

Quite confusing, I must say :-/
You'd better go with the Deeluxe Track 700 T. I have them since this season and they are equally flexible in the forwardlean as my Northwave .900.

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Re: Head + ACSS !

Post by simima » Monday 17 March 2008, 10:40

Arnaud wrote:Head is better than Deeluxe for EC with Swoard board, because for the same feet size, the shell is shorter, so this allow lower angle without overhanging.
I had the Raichle 325 and didn't experience any problems due to overhang, so I guess this is not a factor.

I'm still hesitating between the Deeluxe and the Head.

The Head seems to include a spring mechanism (only forward lean?), but I can't tell how good it is in comparison to the BTS.

The Deeluxe on the other hand seems to need the BTS, and with the BTS, I don't see why the forward flex of the shell should be so important. I'm tempted to go with the cheaper 325T, because I don't see yet the advantage of the 700T.

??????

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Post by raphael » Monday 17 March 2008, 11:24

simima wrote:I'm still hesitating between the Deeluxe and the Head.

The Head seems to include a spring mechanism (only forward lean?), but I can't tell how good it is in comparison to the BTS.

The Deeluxe on the other hand seems to need the BTS, and with the BTS, I don't see why the forward flex of the shell should be so important. I'm tempted to go with the cheaper 325T, because I don't see yet the advantage of the 700T.
You look at it the wrong way.
First you try both in a shop (or on slope if you can). Then you choose the one you feel confortable and stable in.
Trust me there are very good chances only one will fit.
And that'll be the best for you.

If both feel alright then and only then you may ask wich is better. :wink:
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