[Boot tuning] Why progressive springs?
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[Boot tuning] Why progressive springs?
Hello carvers!
I have realized that i have to improve the front flex in my Blax Stratos, to be able to get lower, and faster in my transitions.
(After a few close calls of being run down by uphill skiers, I realise that fast transitions to minimise traversing are a significant safety factor in carving, and an important thing for me to improve!)
Can you “boot wizards” explain the benefits of progressive springs (2 different short springs for forward flex), like on the ACSS. Compared to systems with one long (forward flex) spring like on Bombers BTS?
/Gunnar
I have realized that i have to improve the front flex in my Blax Stratos, to be able to get lower, and faster in my transitions.
(After a few close calls of being run down by uphill skiers, I realise that fast transitions to minimise traversing are a significant safety factor in carving, and an important thing for me to improve!)
Can you “boot wizards” explain the benefits of progressive springs (2 different short springs for forward flex), like on the ACSS. Compared to systems with one long (forward flex) spring like on Bombers BTS?
/Gunnar
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Re: [Boot tuning] Why progressive springs?
Hi,Gunnar wrote: Compared to systems with one long spring like on Bombers BTS?
Bomber BTS has 2 spring system one long for forward lean and a shorter for backward.
The BTS that I have allow you to do all what you're asking for, though you have to choose springs according your weight or how stiff you want this forward lean, also you can adjust this further more with the top nut.
Note that Bomber BTS is made only for Deeluxe/Raichle boots with Stratos
you can still fit them but you need some modifications on your boots.
Head Stratos Pros and BTS Click on the link.
Hope that helps.


Technical Data
Long (toe side) springs = 3" (7.62cm) long
Short (heel side) springs = 1.5" (3.9cm) long
Spring Rates: units = lbs/in (N/mm)
Yellow "Long" Spring = 96 (25)
Yellow "Short" Spring = 200 (56)
Blue "Long" Spring = 144 (60)
Blue "Short" Spring = 320 (129)
Red "Long" Spring = 340 (82)
Red "Short" Spring = 656 (177)
Hi,
The functioning of springs has been discussed previously here in the Forum: viewtopic.php?t=925.
You want to change edges more quickly and not make so wide and traverse turns. As I understand it is more like racers and skiers. In that case I think longer springs might not be the answer. I also understand that racers use pretty stiff boots with short and hard springs because they do not make the wide turns, as also Vahur explains, combined with narrower boards than EC. This combination transfers the forces from the leg to the edges more quickly and you can make quicker turns. However, this requires a more upright, racing style than EC. The longer springs make it easier to go low in the turns but also make the transfer of forces to the edges a little bit more progressive and slower.
Hopefully, other experts on the Forum that are more into racing and different styles will correct me if I am wrong. They also might give better advice for making shorter turns and quicker changes of edges than I can.
The functioning of springs has been discussed previously here in the Forum: viewtopic.php?t=925.
You want to change edges more quickly and not make so wide and traverse turns. As I understand it is more like racers and skiers. In that case I think longer springs might not be the answer. I also understand that racers use pretty stiff boots with short and hard springs because they do not make the wide turns, as also Vahur explains, combined with narrower boards than EC. This combination transfers the forces from the leg to the edges more quickly and you can make quicker turns. However, this requires a more upright, racing style than EC. The longer springs make it easier to go low in the turns but also make the transfer of forces to the edges a little bit more progressive and slower.
Hopefully, other experts on the Forum that are more into racing and different styles will correct me if I am wrong. They also might give better advice for making shorter turns and quicker changes of edges than I can.
harald
Full 180degree turns to control speed, is what I like!
Im refering to the traversing in between the turns.
I thought that if my upper body can stay as close to the snow as possible in the transitions, and move faster/in the shortest possible distance from one side to the other. The Transitions would be faster then now, when the boots are forcing me to stand up more, to maintain the balance in the tranitions.
I have not been able to ride for a few days now. And this idea has evolved, maybe under the influence of to high core temperature, here in the sofa.
Should i take some Aspirine u think?
/Gunnar
Im refering to the traversing in between the turns.
I thought that if my upper body can stay as close to the snow as possible in the transitions, and move faster/in the shortest possible distance from one side to the other. The Transitions would be faster then now, when the boots are forcing me to stand up more, to maintain the balance in the tranitions.
I have not been able to ride for a few days now. And this idea has evolved, maybe under the influence of to high core temperature, here in the sofa.


/Gunnar
Hi again,
I am not an expert and no good at making short 180 degree turns. Longer springs will help you in getting deeper and that is good for tilting the board vertically which again shorten the radius of the turns and controls the speed. Therefore, also the traverse could be shortened. However, I would also like to have the opinion from other experts and far more competent riders than I am. I know there are a lot on this forum. Has any of you advice to offer Gunnar on springs and the ability to make shorter traverses between the turns
I am not an expert and no good at making short 180 degree turns. Longer springs will help you in getting deeper and that is good for tilting the board vertically which again shorten the radius of the turns and controls the speed. Therefore, also the traverse could be shortened. However, I would also like to have the opinion from other experts and far more competent riders than I am. I know there are a lot on this forum. Has any of you advice to offer Gunnar on springs and the ability to make shorter traverses between the turns

harald
Springs
Also depends on your weight. I like the soft springs the most
(87 kgs I weigh, oops have to something about my belly). But I like the nice bomberstyle long turns the most. If you want to make some quick turns I think the boots must react also quick, so I think if you weigh like me or heavier I think the medium till stiff springs are better because the reactiontime of these springs are a fraction faster. Why don't you buy a combination of springs so you can make different combo's. Also look at www.bomberonline.com and search for BTS and springs. There are topics enough abouth this subject.
Just my 2 cents.
(87 kgs I weigh, oops have to something about my belly). But I like the nice bomberstyle long turns the most. If you want to make some quick turns I think the boots must react also quick, so I think if you weigh like me or heavier I think the medium till stiff springs are better because the reactiontime of these springs are a fraction faster. Why don't you buy a combination of springs so you can make different combo's. Also look at www.bomberonline.com and search for BTS and springs. There are topics enough abouth this subject.
Just my 2 cents.