PALE going wide too

Post by **Vladimir** » Thursday 21 September 2006, 12:45

Interesting.....

http://www.palesport.at/index.php?optio ... &Itemid=29

Length/Width/Effective edge/Sidecut radius
170/24.5/150/11.5
178/24.8/158/13.97

What is it

Post by **frunobulax** » Thursday 21 September 2006, 15:03

Pale is - surprisingly - one of the biggest snowboard producers in the world and is located in Austria (Styria or Carinthia, not sure). They make esp. low-tech-low-cost-boards for various labels, but also a few complete woodcore boards.
Last year a friend of mine bought a Pale SL-Board - way too short imho and from pushing it by hand I'd say it is a limp noodle - but he is very fond of it and - to my absolute surprise - he is doing really big G's on it. Haven't tried it until now but I guess I will this season.
Very cheap boards, to tell the truth unbelievably cheap.

Post by **nils** » Thursday 21 September 2006, 16:12

pale is the biggest board manufacturer in the world...no doubt about this since they produce for everyone almost!
They can output a board for 60-70 euros. Woodcore start around 90 euros! its incredibly cheap indeed.
As for quality, they mostly do monocaps, and monocap sucks big when it comes to strengh...when they do sidewall construction, the cores are unfortunately not high end compare to others, but hey, its industrial prod, and they can output 200 boards for anybrand in a few days if you have enough molds!
Pale is the biggest kept secret in the business nowadays: so many people making boards for them, and so little admitting it!!. I have a pair of skis made by pale ( low end) and its really a pair of noodles despite the woodcore.. but i know a brand with good reputation that produces with them and has no quality problem.

BUT: they also produce average quality, to good quality production when the people asking for them are really to pay bigger money...only thing is pale will only accept series, and will not produce 5-6 boards once in a while! its an industry, not a local shaper for sure.. prototyping is not were they excell..

As for the wide carving boards: i did not find those numbers on their webpage but believe me: since we started the EC webpages, we were sure wide carving boards will be back, and it comes as no surprise that many people are now doing them...and its just the beginning to my opinion!

Nils

Post by **raphael** » Thursday 21 September 2006, 17:01

Vladimir wrote:Interesting.....

http://www.palesport.at/index.php?optio ... &Itemid=29

Length/Width/Effective edge/Sidecut radius
170/24.5/150/11.5
178/24.8/158/13.97

What is it

This is not width, but "front width".
The real numbers are:
19.4 & 20.2

... more like usual.

Post by **Vladimir** » Friday 22 September 2006, 6:15

nils wrote: ...They can output a board for 60-70 euros. Woodcore start around 90 euros! its incredibly cheap indeed.

So-230EU for DRIVE - it is super quality production

Why not

Post by **nils** » Friday 22 September 2006, 8:44

90 euros is production costs, so 230 euros is not production costs, but sale cost! Do not ask me what is inside, but when a good quality core is around 25-35 euros, and if you do simple maths: 30x2.5 margin = 75 euros would be the price you would have to sell a simple core! You can imagine the final price of a board with a good core, versus one that is 230 euros finished!
N.

Post by **Silber** » Friday 22 September 2006, 10:52

Guys, this stuff is good for rental...do not even joke aboout it..

Post by **nils** » Friday 22 September 2006, 10:56

cheap rental that are good for 3 weeks before the core twists and the camber leaves for ever!

Post by **Vladimir** » Friday 22 September 2006, 11:06

O.K.
And can it be “something like snowboard”,
Made from stock wood core of other brands (e.g. FACTORY)
+Cap+ edges
or DRIVE is the real board for carving
and have his author

Post by **nils** » Friday 22 September 2006, 11:49

vlad only solution to know is to test it hard, under all conditions, with various techniques

this way you will know! !

Nils

Post by **Vladimir** » Friday 22 September 2006, 13:14

nils wrote: only solution to know is to test it hard...
Nils

Yes, I know
I’m the owner of Test center
and of course looking for
new alpine (carve/race) boards for it for new season
(and of course information)

P.S. I haven’t swoard in test yet , but planning visit Zinal for it

Post by **Silber** » Monday 25 September 2006, 12:58

Vlad,

I noticed you have an "Atom 164". Can u post a picture of it and tell us about it?

Thanks
Francesco

Post by **Vladimir** » Monday 25 September 2006, 16:55

Silber wrote:Vlad,
I noticed you have an "Atom 164". Can u post a picture of it and tell us about it?
Thanks
Francesco

It’s Russian brand – board for relax on our not good groomed slopes
or/and hardbooters allmounting board (so I use it) -I like it with Conshoks (F2).
Made on the same factory as low-Burton,
may be something like PALE-DRIVE

Post by **Silber** » Monday 25 September 2006, 17:06

I don't know how it rides, but it looks really, really cool...russian style!!

Post by **Vladimir** » Monday 25 September 2006, 18:14

Silber wrote:I don't know how it rides, but it looks really, really cool...russian style!!

It’s not so good like his design

May be interesting thing is(for 164):
Length/Nose width/Waist/Tail width/ Radius :
164/23.7/18.5/24.7/9.0

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