New EC12: the first Extreme Carving boots, ready to use!

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Re: New EC12: the first Extreme Carving boots, ready to use!

Post by Matti » Friday 25 October 2019, 17:26

Concratulations EC Team :clap2: .
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Re: New EC12: the first Extreme Carving boots, ready to use!

Post by hknz » Saturday 26 October 2019, 15:29

Happy to see growth in EC sport. :clap: :clap: :clap:

If money is not a concern, would the MS951/950 with modified tongue & spring perform similar to the EC12? :think:

951 is made with very hard grilamid plastic which may not absorb vibration as much as PU, however it offers better protection to the ankle against twisting. Our ankle bone and ligament may justify to pay the extra $.

In fact, I twisted my ankle in Deeluxe last year. Therefore, I bought the MS951 last season but have not yet done any modification to suit my 60kg.

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Re: New EC12: the first Extreme Carving boots, ready to use!

Post by Swoard team » Saturday 26 October 2019, 18:37

@jax, @Vitaly, @AVel1990, @wangxyw, @Matti, @hknz and at all the others in the social networks:
Thank you very much for your compliments and the warm words! We are happy to share this with you all. :bravo: :birthday:

@Vitaly: we didn't experience any unscrewing issue for two years of testing. If you have some unscrewing with old boots or other brands, you can use blue Loctite (N°242/243). UPZ is precisely using blue Loctite for some screws/nuts, and even stronger Loctite (the red Loctite (N°271)) for some other screws/nuts.

@hknz: Arnaud is the plastics specialist (it was his previous job before CAD) and he will reply you. Note that the EC12 are not made in PU !! 8O Patrice will also reply you on other points.

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Re: New EC12: the first Extreme Carving boots, ready to use!

Post by manuchill » Saturday 26 October 2019, 21:49

Congratulations on this awesome milestone !!!!
I find the looks amazing and I can totally understand people will switch to these (including myself ;)).
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Re: New EC12: the first Extreme Carving boots, ready to use!

Post by Arnaud » Sunday 27 October 2019, 18:38

About the plastics used : I confirm that the plastics of EC12 are not PU !! PU don't have a great mechanical strength nor durability.
All the plastics used for ski / snowboard boots have their characteristics depending on temperature. But there are many different grade more or less sensitive to the temperature.
The choice went to a high-end expensive polymer, with high mechanically properties at low temperature. This plastic has also an excellent damping factor, and a quite low temperature dependance.
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Re: New EC12: the first Extreme Carving boots, ready to use!

Post by fivat » Monday 28 October 2019, 23:49

@hknz: Wow! 8O You are from Hong Kong? Where do you usually go riding?

Even if money is not a concern for you, the chance we have with UPZ is that we are using existing molds. If we had to start with new molds, the sale price of the EC12 package would be more than 1000 €. Indeed, all the molds, left and right, in all sizes, cost at least 500'000 € to make. 8O Thus it's good to put money in high-end plastics with great performances and to keep the sale price at a quite reasonable level. And all this with excellent liners (developed by Wolfgang): no extra costs for changing them after boots purchase. :bravo:

The absorption of the vibrations is indeed something important, as the snowboard damping (if vivacity is not lost) and bindings damping! But what is also very important for us is the absorption of the moguls by the rider... with real and good ankle flexion... what is not possible with almost all hardboots. This is one main point. We don't want to just lay down by balancing left and right, like a pendulum. We also want to play with the steep, the moguls, all terrains, laying down or not, making even drifted turns, and enjoying narrow ways. Like surfers playing with the waves. 8)

I guess there is a recurrent confusion about the name "EC". :think: It is originally related to our technique of laid turns, whose basics are precisely the key to riding fluent when not ECing.

Making an EC boot allowing "push-pull" technique is not just a question of changing tongues and springs. It would be too simple. :D The point is how all the different parts of the boot are working together. And as our technique is inspired from surfing, we want to be able to bend the ankles (but keep better control and power than pure softboots).

I invite you to read the conclusion of this thread. It answers to some other points.

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Re: New EC12: the first Extreme Carving boots, ready to use!

Post by hknz » Tuesday 29 October 2019, 16:30

@fivat: Yes you are right. As you may know, the present Hong Kong is quite bad. I usually ride in Austria and Hokkaido alone. I guess there is no time for me to try and buy the new EC12 as this season is approaching soon. Therefore, I have to stick to my 951 and let EC12 be my present next year if I find it fits my foot.

Thanks for your reply and the arrival of an affordable EC boots. :angel2:

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Re: New EC12: the first Extreme Carving boots, ready to use!

Post by Swoard team » Saturday 16 November 2019, 11:43

Here is a frequent question:
What to do if I have thin feet?

Indeed, in addition to the hardboot length, an important thing is the volume inside the shell. If you have thin feet, you can play with the velcro pads included in the EC12 package. Simply place them on the liners. There are also some plastic parts which can be inserted on the two sides of the heels.

Eventually, you can buy the very cheap "bootboard" (only 10 €) which you can see at bottom of this page:
https://www.upz-boots.at/performancepartshard

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As written: "Volume reductive, insulating, shock absorbing. To be assembled between shell and liner, thickness 6mm."

The new liners are awesome and should satisfy almost everybody: comfort, insulation, breathability and holding. As they are self-mouldable, they will automatically adapt to your feet contours with time.

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Re: New EC12: the first Extreme Carving boots, ready to use!

Post by olive » Saturday 23 November 2019, 11:13

Absolutely great! :D

The Swoard team has developed from scratch a new sport, extremecarving:
a new riding style, the boards that facilitates the most that technique, and logically the bindings and the boots that are adapted.

They have come so far from the start! And with the success that we know as many other brands have tried to copy the concept... But Swoard remains far in advance on the others.

A big bravo to the team and thanks to Swoard for letting us experience those unique carving and extremecarving feelings. :clap: :clap3: :pray2:
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