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Re: hardboots for EC: another approach

Post by Matti » Wednesday 29 August 2018, 14:34

Tomba wrote:
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Can anyone compare this boot to .950 or even better .951?
I am looking for new boots to replace my upz, since I find them too stiff on forward flex (with red tongue and springs).... I am too lightweight for them :D
Go with .951 or atomic? Price is less important, need to modify is also not a problem...
I can not see any reason that Atomic is not good for me with correct springs.
I´ve ride with original .950 more than 5 years and I´m going to replace them Atomic.
Without riding with them Atomic feels very comfortable and stiff but with correct springs mobility is good as with .950.
If there is some constructional/technical problems please let me know.

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Re: hardboots for EC: another approach

Post by Matti » Monday 3 September 2018, 10:24

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Part of solution.
If somebody needs that part for Backland / Redline let me know.
I´m going to manufactured these soon if the price is reasonable.
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Re: hardboots for EC: another approach

Post by Matti » Monday 3 September 2018, 14:30

I need to sell 20 pair.
1 pair / 30,00 eur + p&p.
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Re: hardboots for EC: another approach

Post by hknz » Sunday 23 September 2018, 20:13

Anyone can comment on the fitting of the Atomic Backland? How does it compare to normal ski boots or hardboots (such as Raichle, upz) boots? I am always skeptical that ski boots is 1 to 1.5 size larger than snowboard hard boots.

How does it ride compare to normal hardboots for EC if spring is added?

Also about how many degree of angle can you gain (say, 51 to 48?) by its reduced sole length?

I am also a light weight rider, 168/60kg. What trouble me is my small feet 24.8 cm. I always feel swimming in my 24.5cm Raichle AF600 and considering downsize. I notice Atomic Backland has women version in 22.5cm and 23.5cm!!

Anyway, thanks Rahan, Matti, Pokkis for the information. :pray2:

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Re: hardboots for EC: another approach

Post by Hans » Friday 26 October 2018, 22:10

Those Backlands have a little less space as the UPZ in the frontfoot, but more as the Deeluxe. The fit is like UPZ size. I have mondo 27 for UPZ and Deeluxe due to a high arch. Size 9 US size for normal shoes.

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Re: hardboots for EC: another approach

Post by rahan31 » Friday 14 December 2018, 14:17

Hello everyone.
I could make a comparison of total length with Deeluxe and UPZ, here are the photos:
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Made for a size of 265 mondo.

It is clear that the Atomic with springs are shorter than conventional shells without springs.
I found a name for my system: LPSS for Low Profile Spring System :)

For the liners there are some difficulties in thermoforming an overlap from Palau in such a small shell. We tested them at the factory with several models and a transient solution was found. However this winter I will do tests for them with other models to define the best compromise. Real pros at Palau!
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Re: hardboots for EC: another approach

Post by pokkis » Friday 14 December 2018, 14:22

I use All Track Power and they are very fitting to Backlands. Much better than those Overlaps i used earlier.
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Re: hardboots for EC: another approach

Post by rahan31 » Friday 14 December 2018, 14:51

Thanks for sharing.
Our goal with Palau is to fit an overlap system to these shell to improve confort while carving.
For sure if it 's not possible we 'll go back to the All Track.
I will publish the results of the test.
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Re: hardboots for EC: another approach

Post by pokkis » Friday 14 December 2018, 15:46

All Track has as standard better side support and works better on up hicking than overlap.
Due these i selected that for us both :bravo:
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Re: hardboots for EC: another approach

Post by Matti » Friday 21 December 2018, 16:21

@rahan31:

My aloy setup is ready now.
I´ll ride with aloy parts and let see how it goes. Grease and the touch of the light rider :xmas: .
The feeling of the stifnes of the springs (boots) is quite same as I use with .950.
I have softer springs if necessary.
Angles are: 45 back / 47 front.
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Re: hardboots for EC: another approach

Post by drupi » Saturday 22 December 2018, 22:55

Prototype dgss x atomic, work in progress :D :D :D :D :D
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Re: hardboots for EC: another approach

Post by pokkis » Sunday 23 December 2018, 7:50

Looks good, but try to keep weight as minimum
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Re: hardboots for EC: another approach

Post by Matti » Saturday 29 December 2018, 18:18

The new set as a whole caused very little problems. Angles at the back 40 and in front 43. Earlier 50/50. Back binding has been Fuego-tested.
The boots themselves worked just as I hoped, that is, they are very sturdy and well seated. The spring tension must certainly be slightly lightened and tested with a looser spring.
The movement / elasticity of the boot leg depends, in my opinion, completely on the length and stiffness of the spring.
The boot leg allows the ankle to move ergonomically.
The required lateral elasticity comes from the binding.
The bottom pattern / grip is excellent in lift and for hiking.
Lightness of the boot is not a minus :clap2: .
I did not have time to check the wear of the aluminum parts of the spring.
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Re: hardboots for EC: another approach

Post by H2O » Thursday 3 January 2019, 10:32

Just bought the Backland NC model (no carbon) and soon it will be on the snow with the Drupi Dgss :angel2:
I've always promoted AT boots (lighter, forward flex, vibram soles) for snowboard and for freeride/off piste I used Scarpa or La Sportiva boots but now I think the Backland is better to be used with a spring system.
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Re: hardboots for EC: another approach

Post by pokkis » Thursday 3 January 2019, 11:03

Yep, on walk mode they feel too soft and as locked too stiff. Due that i have used springs already since 2016.
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