Hard boots - choices?

Post by **harald** » Tuesday 1 March 2011, 9:56

Forward flexibility and sideways stiffness is what counts. The cheaper models have too soft shells which cause the shafts bending during the turns whith loss of edge control as a result. Besides the stiffer shells protects the ankles better in case of chattering during falls.

Post by **koldo** » Tuesday 1 March 2011, 14:58

harald wrote:Forward flexibility and sideways stiffness is what counts. The cheaper models have too soft shells which cause the shafts bending during the turns whith loss of edge control as a result. Besides the stiffer shells protects the ankles better in case of chattering during falls.

Hi,

I´ve been riding Track 225 since I started riding alpine, three years ago, and firstly I thought, they are way too soft for me. But I got so much used to them that when I tried the newer Track 700 and Track 325 I was not able to ride at all. They just seemed way too stiff for me. However, last weekend I saw couple girl racers riding T700 without any problem, eventhough they didn´t seem to be able to flex boots very easily at all. Now I certainly can tell, that 225s are too soft, I can feel the sideway movement when pushing hard, they even make weird squeeky noises (doesn´t sound and feel the safest

). It´s seems to me that it´s more matter of getting used to the harder boots. I definately want to switch to stiffer boots, but I am kind of worried that it will affect my riding very dramatically in the wrong way.

Post by **harald** » Wednesday 2 March 2011, 9:57

koldo wrote
It´s seems to me that it´s more matter of getting used to the harder boots. I definately want to switch to stiffer boots, but I am kind of worried that it will affect my riding very dramatically in the wrong way.

During the first run stiffer boots might feel more difficult because your movements are directly transmitted to the board. After a while you will get used to it and appreciate the direct board control. Then your riding will improve.

Post by **azaz44** » Friday 4 March 2011, 16:42

So I got my package with Track 325 today. My first impression is, they are much smaller than the ones I measured at the shop in Obertauern once, although it's same model and size. Could it be because of the thermo liner?

I'm just wearing them and will see how they fit. I hope I made the correct choice...

I found different guides about heat molding. At the blue-tomate they advice (at the www) to use around 60 deg [C]. And here:

http://www.yyzcanuck.com/E_tech_cooking.htm

they advice 120-135. Big difference!
Which is correct? How did you do this? I don't want to damage my new boots af course

Post by **pokkis** » Friday 4 March 2011, 18:16

Temperature depeds of liners. If you have those (crappy) self molding liners then temperature is low.

Post by **Snegorez** » Friday 4 March 2011, 20:57

azaz44 wrote: I found different guides about heat molding.

can you make a picture of the liner?
Pokkis is right - molding process depends on the liner type.
Very tight before molding - it is a good sign.

Post by **azaz44** » Friday 4 March 2011, 22:21

Here are the pictures. I'm all lost and dunno what I should do with this liner now

What is interesting, there are no footbeds at all. Is it supposed to be used without any?

Post by **azaz44** » Friday 4 March 2011, 22:22

And inside...

Post by **Snegorez** » Saturday 5 March 2011, 5:59

azaz44 wrote:What is interesting, there are no footbeds at all. Is it supposed to be used without any?

better way is to made custom footbed before molding. By the molding process, you place the custom footbed onto the naked foot under sock. It provides perfect position of the footbed into the liner and prevent footbed from excess warm from heat liner. After molding, you put footbed inside of liner, as usually.

liner looks like liner to mold on 110 degrees C, but I am not sure considered 'fur' inside. I think info at deeluxe.com knows

I’ve got 05-06 Suzuka with Semi ThermoFit liner
As I know, in this liner there are some areas, which can change form
according to my feet.
But I don’t get clearly should I heat boots for this like in case with
ThermoFlex or heat from the body is enough?

Take the liner out of the shell.
Remove the footbed.
Heat the liner at about 80°C for ten minutes.
After the heating, put the footbed in to the liner and this in to the shell.
Step in to the boot and close the buckle and wait about for ten minutes.
Ready!

Nice greets from Kufstein

Alexandra Edlinger
Jr. Product Manager
info@deeluxe.com

Post by **starikashka** » Saturday 5 March 2011, 8:59

Those are fully moldable liners which can be baked in the kitchen oven

or special high-technology carton box with a heat-gun like Makita HG 550 V

Many options are availiable.

Post by **azaz44** » Saturday 5 March 2011, 11:37

Guys, thanks for help. I wrote to Deeluxe.
Just curious, how do you recognize it?

Post by **starikashka** » Saturday 5 March 2011, 13:18

azaz44 wrote:Guys, thanks for help. I wrote to Deeluxe.
Just curious, how do you recognize it?

Experience is the thing that can`t be guzzled out

It`s easy. All fully moldable liners look similar, and i know for sure that this particular liner is moldable.

Post by **benttech** » Sunday 6 March 2011, 20:52

Get orthodpedic foodbeds (the expensive ones) or go custom!!!

Post by **azaz44** » Sunday 6 March 2011, 21:19

I'll make some calls about foot beds tomorrow to see if I can get something here. But the boots are so tight already, that I hardly imaging putting any foot beds into them. On the other hand using none seems weird to me..

Post by **azaz44** » Wednesday 9 March 2011, 9:58

Ok, I got the manual from Deeluxe. So the temperature should be over 90 deg. C. The rest of the manual seems to be similar to the one at yyzcanuck. I go to get some custom footbeds tomorrow and will try heat-molding then, I'll see what I get.