Shell size question

[narath]

I made some reasearch through this and bomber forum. As come to UPZ RC10 most ppl praise them.

I just starded my adventure with hard gear. My weight is 83kg with 186cm height. I'm riding F2 Speedster GTS 166 (longest available). Do You think UPZ RC10 are good choice for beginner? (I tried to ride with Ski boots and It was not as bad I as I thought It will be).

Most important thing is a good fit. All other considerations are secondary. If you have heel lift or your toes go numb you don't care about having 5mm less boot out at the same angles. All hardboots can be adjusted to something usable, most aren't perfect out of the box. Secondary is the flex. If there is a choice left after that, you could consider shorter sole.

Especially for a beginner experiencing boot out is actually a moment you want to celebrate. It means you are getting low enough!

The point is... Speedster GTS is quite narrow board (its not wide model), my feet are about 29,5 - 30 mondo points. As beginner im not used to ride with big angles. Shorter sole base of the boot allows me to have lower angles, thats why I'd like to choose boots that give me shortes sole base possible with same liner size. Of course good fit and comfort if my main objective. So I need some models with shortest sole base possible to choose the most comfortable of them.

BTW... thx for all replies

[pokkis]

If your current boots are fine for your feet, it might make more sense to take wider board.
Or just take more boot over, it is not crime to ride with boot over hang, only on hard surface with extra deep carves it makes problems.

[Transistor Rhythm]

Don't be afraid of those high angles, the board is designed to be ridden that way. A bit of overhang is not bad as well, I was more panicky about that before too but I allow 1-2 cm (depends how you look at it) of overhang on more race oriented boards that are designed to be ridden more down the fall line, like your board.I have mondo 29 myself, 28 if I squeeze really hard.

No boot out on my Swoard, but that's a wider board designed to be ridden that way. I find the Swoard to be wide even for my feet, so once you progress to an ExtremeCarver you will be fine

Once you get to the point you see a boot carve next to your board carve, you won't experience much trouble shifting your angles by 5 degrees because you are an accomplished carver. Look at how much boot out softbooters allow themselves. They are not falling all day long, even when carving. Imagine your board at 45 or 60 degrees with a little boot out: should be fine.

[narath]

For now I have no boots at all, that ski boots were rented.

[narath]

Damn You Guys! I just ask specific question. All the time You didn't answer. I realize little boot out won't be a problem, or 5 degreess won't make much difference but it's not the point of this conversation. Let me remind and change a little bit the question:

What model of UPZ boots have middle stiffness?

[joemzl]

Looks interesting however I dont think I can affort new UPZs. I'd rather buy something older.

Yes, but older UPZ-boots are stiffer.
So only chance is to buy used Raichle/DeeLuxe.

Next thing: you wrote:
"My weight is 83kg with 186cm height."
Are you sure, you need Mondo 29,5?
Most beginners use the wrong length.
Your feet are 29,5 cm long with socks?

[starikashka]

We made an experiment...Maxle use UPZ RC10 with 28.5 size. I use Deeluxe Suzuka with 27 size shell.

He was able to get into my bindings without any adjustment

On F2 soft Intec boots you can fit all size in same binding, so that does not tell anything
Only meaningfull value is total space boot is taking plus additionally user preference to standing height

cmon pokkis it does not makes sense but i agree that i should mention that this was regular bindings not intecs

[WinterGold]

When using snowboard hardboots (don´t know about skiboots), it is not the sole itself that touches the snow. It is the heelcup or even the spring mechanism on the backside and the toebox (or the front closure of the binding on non step in models)on the frontside that gets in contact with the snow surface and causes boot out.
So a short sole length doesn´t help you here. The UPZ have the shortest soles on the market, but the length measured from the toebox to the heelcup (at a height where the toes and the heels actually sit) is almost exactly the same as on other models (I compared it to my Head Stratos Pro).
So you can buy the boot which fits best and you won´t have any disadvantages concerning shell size. Only if one brand already uses the bigger shell size for your boot size in relation to another brand, then the shell would be bigger.
And remember joemzl´s advice - do not buy too big!!!
This year there is a UPZ RC 10 and a RX 8 (next year the model will be called RC 8 ). The RX 8 is softer, but I personally wouldn´t call the RC 10 stiff. And as Transistor Rhythm already said - the flex is secondary when choosing the right boot.

[Silver]

What about the RC 8 ? Will it be as stiff as the RC 10 ?

Do you confirm that the plastic used for RC 10 and RX 8 is not cold sensitive (becoming more rigid) ?

Thank you

Silver

[Arnaud]

The softer UPZ boots are the forthcoming .... ATB
You can read more informations about ATB on the link to italian I posted before.

I tried this boots (only in the room !). Short shell, very soft (and light also), but for me the feeling in the liner sounds like a ..... wood sabot !!!!
I must also add that while my feet fit perfectly in Head Stratos mondo 28, I was floating inside ATB size 27.5 ... (but it was a prototype. Maybe the liner size don't match exactly ??)

Regarding stiffness, I don't know if there is a strong difference between RC10 and RC8. Sorry