My question: are there plans to make a extreme carving dvd?
Or what do other carvers think about a dvd?
Dave
POLL: DVD about extreme carving
Moderators: fivat, rilliet, Arnaud, nils
DVD
Hi
Do you mean an instructional DVD on how to EC or a DVD movie similar to Extremedreamer, Stoked, etc?
Any DVD would be great but I'm sure doing this is super time consuming for an already busy crew with families, day jobs and life in general.
Rob
Do you mean an instructional DVD on how to EC or a DVD movie similar to Extremedreamer, Stoked, etc?
Any DVD would be great but I'm sure doing this is super time consuming for an already busy crew with families, day jobs and life in general.
Rob
Movie
Hi Dave
I agree with you 100% A big part of the EC sites' success is the great movies the EC gang has already made available. Movies are a big part of promoting alpine snowboarding.
It would be great to find a professional film maker who also loves alpine snowboarding. This type of person may make a DVD movie because of a passion for the sport, as their will probably be no monetary reward for their hard work. (We could also see J&P riding in the same shot together:)
Knowing Nils, who seems to know so many people in the boarding industry, he has probably already explored this possibility. Any comment Nils?
Thanks
Rob
I agree with you 100% A big part of the EC sites' success is the great movies the EC gang has already made available. Movies are a big part of promoting alpine snowboarding.
It would be great to find a professional film maker who also loves alpine snowboarding. This type of person may make a DVD movie because of a passion for the sport, as their will probably be no monetary reward for their hard work. (We could also see J&P riding in the same shot together:)
Knowing Nils, who seems to know so many people in the boarding industry, he has probably already explored this possibility. Any comment Nils?
Thanks
Rob
There is that 40 minutes or so film of Zinal2004 in net.
That is latest EC-film available. I have copied that to DVD and quality is quite good.
Please remember making proper DVD-film is quite task. It requires lot's of film and lot's of cutting and editing to make the film.
Normally hardest part is find someone who knows about riding sitting behind camera when weather is great and slopes are in top condition.
Getting 10 minutes tape takes minimum 30 minutes standing, waiting and filming. And normally from that you get 1 minute usable material
I was shooting quite alot in Zinal and taped ammount was 65 minutes.
We have done 2 carving dvd's more or less in home grown style and even that is quite a task. Making proper film is lot harder.
Another problem is then finance, even if someone is manging to do film, how many REALLY will pay about that or just rather copy it from somewhere.
And let us remember that if i'm not totally wrong, there is only 6 carving films done in all time if we dont count Japanese ones
Hear no evil
Hard atttack
4x Purecarving film
Any others ?
That is latest EC-film available. I have copied that to DVD and quality is quite good.
Please remember making proper DVD-film is quite task. It requires lot's of film and lot's of cutting and editing to make the film.
Normally hardest part is find someone who knows about riding sitting behind camera when weather is great and slopes are in top condition.
Getting 10 minutes tape takes minimum 30 minutes standing, waiting and filming. And normally from that you get 1 minute usable material
I was shooting quite alot in Zinal and taped ammount was 65 minutes.
We have done 2 carving dvd's more or less in home grown style and even that is quite a task. Making proper film is lot harder.
Another problem is then finance, even if someone is manging to do film, how many REALLY will pay about that or just rather copy it from somewhere.
And let us remember that if i'm not totally wrong, there is only 6 carving films done in all time if we dont count Japanese ones
Hear no evil
Hard atttack
4x Purecarving film
Any others ?
Search this site for instructions
there is separate thread about it
EDIT: Here is link:
viewtopic.php?t=954&start=0&postdays=0& ... ight=zinal
there is separate thread about it
EDIT: Here is link:
viewtopic.php?t=954&start=0&postdays=0& ... ight=zinal
I'm a professional movie maker, and i sure am into carving. But i must admit that i dont have any experience of shooting winter sport (if you exept Winter-golf )... well, then, in shooting extremecarving (or even regular snowboard) i'm probably less experienced than any member of the swoard-team.
But still, it's been now two years, i have on my mind the idea of making a feature film promoting J&P's technique.
If you try to do it without money, it will take a lot of time, it probably won't be very good (because if doesn't take too much money, it will take too much time making it look good), and finaly it will cost you some money anyway.
So there are three options:
- You decide to shoot this DVD on your own free time.
It means you decide to promote the sport on your own money. So you will now be known as the "Marketing Division".
With not enough time and not enough money, this risks to make a frustrating experience... and not much more.
- You help shoot a Documentary on extremecarving.
This idea as already been brought up, but never came to any conclusion.
I suspect the reason is: for a documentary to be shot, it takes a producer and some money from one or more TV chanels. It wouldn't be any problem if documentaries were making money. They aren't (for many bad reasons i wont discuss now). So TV chanels put very little money in documentaries and only on documentaries with some kind of "scoop".
Nobody cares about a bunch of adults pretending alpin snowboard is not dead.
And even if a lot of people cared, it wouldn't matter, because extremecarvers don't "pretend", they act, look and talk normal... (aren't we
)
So... too extreme for old audiance and not extreme enough for young audiance. I know it is stupid, but that's how the people who decide think.
And even if they decided an extremecarving documentary was worthy, they wouldn't put enough money on it for good movie makers to come. Well some mad men still try and sometimes die of making documentaries... Maybe the one who wanted to do it first place, just changed job, to pay the rent.
But rejoice, I said three options. This was just the second. I still think right now it's not the worst. But you'll find it hard, and not necessarily rewarding.
- Now i tend to think the third option it what everybody needs. Time and money for the movie makers. Maximum audiance, understanding and fame for the board makers and all felow carvers. What you need, and maybe dream of, is a good feature film centered aroud extremecarving. With a good story, good characters and good film making. This is what we should think about.
I must admit my story writing is taking a long time. I can't spend all my time on that particular project. And writing about extremecarving is not easy at all. It often leads to very poor stories, i can't accept anything like this, it's too important to me. So, whenever i have time enough, i try to restart a plot from a totally different angle. Because it will take a hell of a good story to interest any producer in such a subject.
Choose any option you like... and wish me luck
(for i wont let go of the third option 
)
)... well, then, in shooting extremecarving (or even regular snowboard) i'm probably less experienced than any member of the swoard-team.But still, it's been now two years, i have on my mind the idea of making a feature film promoting J&P's technique.
If you try to do it without money, it will take a lot of time, it probably won't be very good (because if doesn't take too much money, it will take too much time making it look good), and finaly it will cost you some money anyway.
So there are three options:
- You decide to shoot this DVD on your own free time.
It means you decide to promote the sport on your own money. So you will now be known as the "Marketing Division".
With not enough time and not enough money, this risks to make a frustrating experience... and not much more.
- You help shoot a Documentary on extremecarving.
This idea as already been brought up, but never came to any conclusion.
I suspect the reason is: for a documentary to be shot, it takes a producer and some money from one or more TV chanels. It wouldn't be any problem if documentaries were making money. They aren't (for many bad reasons i wont discuss now). So TV chanels put very little money in documentaries and only on documentaries with some kind of "scoop".
Nobody cares about a bunch of adults pretending alpin snowboard is not dead.
And even if a lot of people cared, it wouldn't matter, because extremecarvers don't "pretend", they act, look and talk normal... (aren't we
)So... too extreme for old audiance and not extreme enough for young audiance. I know it is stupid, but that's how the people who decide think.
And even if they decided an extremecarving documentary was worthy, they wouldn't put enough money on it for good movie makers to come. Well some mad men still try and sometimes die of making documentaries... Maybe the one who wanted to do it first place, just changed job, to pay the rent.
But rejoice, I said three options. This was just the second. I still think right now it's not the worst. But you'll find it hard, and not necessarily rewarding.
- Now i tend to think the third option it what everybody needs. Time and money for the movie makers. Maximum audiance, understanding and fame for the board makers and all felow carvers. What you need, and maybe dream of, is a good feature film centered aroud extremecarving. With a good story, good characters and good film making. This is what we should think about.
I must admit my story writing is taking a long time. I can't spend all my time on that particular project. And writing about extremecarving is not easy at all. It often leads to very poor stories, i can't accept anything like this, it's too important to me. So, whenever i have time enough, i try to restart a plot from a totally different angle. Because it will take a hell of a good story to interest any producer in such a subject.
Choose any option you like... and wish me luck
(for i wont let go of the third option )-
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DVD options
Hi guys,
There is another option,... I'd take a look at getting into an operation that already has the money, the promotion, the story, the distribution and the talent. It may not be the ideal but if Jacques and Patrice were shot as part of a film project that already has a very loyal and lucrative following then that would be the easiest way to get the name and brand perhaps out there. And if your not alerady onto what I'm thinking about the vehicle is Warren Miller Films. I think that if he saw any of the opus' I bet that he would be willing to include J and P in the films because he's always looking for something new! And EC would be new to him!!! So just a thought from a different perspective but one that I think could happen relatively easily. Nils if you and the boys haven't seen these check them out Warren introduces snowboarding into his films a few years back in a film called snow riders.
Marc
There is another option,... I'd take a look at getting into an operation that already has the money, the promotion, the story, the distribution and the talent. It may not be the ideal but if Jacques and Patrice were shot as part of a film project that already has a very loyal and lucrative following then that would be the easiest way to get the name and brand perhaps out there. And if your not alerady onto what I'm thinking about the vehicle is Warren Miller Films. I think that if he saw any of the opus' I bet that he would be willing to include J and P in the films because he's always looking for something new! And EC would be new to him!!!
So just a thought from a different perspective but one that I think could happen relatively easily. Nils if you and the boys haven't seen these check them out Warren introduces snowboarding into his films a few years back in a film called snow riders.Marc
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But it is another issue to get short clip of EC to some skiing film than making EC-DVD.
Economical issue is biggest problem, even we would have film, who really would be buing it for carving or even for EC-carving ? Even if every member of Bomber and EC site would buy one copy it is still extremely small ammount and everybody agrees that even that is not close of what would hapen.
There is no real market for that, unfortunately. Only option to make film "profitable" is like raphael said, create good story and make film of that some EC:ing included. But unfortunately that is something what i'm not after
I prefer tastles, storyless carving film where is nothing else than carving
Economical issue is biggest problem, even we would have film, who really would be buing it for carving or even for EC-carving ? Even if every member of Bomber and EC site would buy one copy it is still extremely small ammount and everybody agrees that even that is not close of what would hapen.
There is no real market for that, unfortunately. Only option to make film "profitable" is like raphael said, create good story and make film of that some EC:ing included. But unfortunately that is something what i'm not after
I prefer tastles, storyless carving film where is nothing else than carving
I understand, and share your taste Pokkis. But that's not the way to make the sport popular. And once popular, it wouldn't be hard to produce Carving only DVDs.
Anyway, i'd want the storytelling to transmit a bit of the extremecarving sensations, and the feelings we have when trying to achieve this difficult turns. So i think you'd like it aswell.
This particular goal is one of the main reasons why writing this story is so hard...
Anyway, i'd want the storytelling to transmit a bit of the extremecarving sensations, and the feelings we have when trying to achieve this difficult turns. So i think you'd like it aswell.
This particular goal is one of the main reasons why writing this story is so hard...
Hi Raphael,
your goal is great, indeed. Keep on trying to manage this and don't let yourselve bee disturbed
Just another thoght: Last year's ECS was one of the most impressive meetings I ever joined. Never seen so many hardbooters of so high skill level in one resort. in addition there was an unique team-spirit amongst the participants, such a huge common feeling. For me this was kind of surfing-spirit at it's best! No hardcore-posing, no show, no competition. I think, this would have been worth to be saved on a Video!
Maybe it will be possible to make sure, that some guys from TV will be there. I'd like to ask around in germany, if this is o.k. for you J, P & N
I think, beeing on TV with an EC-event is the best way to become more popular. Maybe having a DVD shown in the shops would be another option. And another question: would it be o.k. for EC-Team to offer their vidoes-clips to local dealers to show them between their freestyle-stuff?
Just some thoughts....
your goal is great, indeed. Keep on trying to manage this and don't let yourselve bee disturbed
Just another thoght: Last year's ECS was one of the most impressive meetings I ever joined. Never seen so many hardbooters of so high skill level in one resort. in addition there was an unique team-spirit amongst the participants, such a huge common feeling. For me this was kind of surfing-spirit at it's best! No hardcore-posing, no show, no competition. I think, this would have been worth to be saved on a Video!
Maybe it will be possible to make sure, that some guys from TV will be there. I'd like to ask around in germany, if this is o.k. for you J, P & N
I think, beeing on TV with an EC-event is the best way to become more popular. Maybe having a DVD shown in the shops would be another option. And another question: would it be o.k. for EC-Team to offer their vidoes-clips to local dealers to show them between their freestyle-stuff?Just some thoughts....
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