Confused about carving and which style I should learn

[Thomo]

I've answered my own question to a certain degree by watching some videos on the net. Seems I carve the American way rather than a European one which seems to have riders with the shoulders square across the board and facing down-hill.

I'll have to go to the states and learn better technique maybe.

Thanks

[István]

Hi Thomo,


Carving: no skidding.

Style: something that is beyond the correct technique.

Basic carving technique: should be the same regardless which continent you choose.


Cheers

[starikashka]

+1

we have a guy in Moscow, he is very good in EC and in bomberstyle, which is called american get in Moscow instead of states it`s much better and closer to UK

There is opinion that bomber works very well on bumpy and icy slopes.

[ngsam]

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By my personal opinion the Egyptien carving style is the best one.
For sure regarding the incredible riding style it gives you but also on the technical side there is many many advantages.


Bye

sam

[Thomo]

Carve like an Egyptian? Wasn't that a song by the bangles

[starikashka]

egyptian carving - sounds funny so, Sam are you suggesting Thomo to visit Egypt to learn?

[ngsam]

i could not find any better explanation.... egyptian style is clear and perfect to describ the the right position of your shoulders .

I had the chance to see patrice and Jack many many time on the slope this winter and beleive me ... when the egyptian style is correctly done not only on well prepared slope but just in push-pull in bumbpy or icy slope !!! Skiers as well as other Alpine rider are just like this

A lot a people stop Patrice & Jack to say that it's really a big eyes pleasure to see a so fluid and perfect style !!!

In more when you ride with shoulders front of the downhill it's really bad for your back. You back is in rotation and in a none natural position to absorb shock. I have back pain since many years and more I ride with the Egyptian style slower is my pain.
Aa lot of competititors with the race style ( also front of the downhill) has to stop competition due to back pain problem.

On the technial side for extremecarving only.. the egyptian style is a big big help to prepare the next turn you want to laid down

Just to finish... a lot ( not all ) people with the race or bomber style have to compensate their unbalanced gravity center or stability lack with their arm. This give a really hugly jumping jack style.
The race style is the best one to win 0.1 seconde and this make sense to ride with this style for race competition. This is definitively not our goal.

That's just my opinion and do not forget the best style is the style which is more confortable for you

[Swiss Mike]

Egyptian carving is in fact The said : Rotationnal technique also know as Swiss technique.
All details about it here

This techniqeu alows you to EC and also, as said be Sam, to be very fluid the rest of the time. Especially when carving rotating you shoulders help you to keep the pressure on the dge.

[pokkis]

This is Egyptian style:

[Hans]

Thomo, such thing as a best style don't exist. There are a few styles. You also can combine certain styles. You just use/ride the style that suits you the best or seems like suit you the best. There are many articles on this subject, on this forumand the forum of bomberonline. Read also the tech articles on bomber, they are very interesting to read:
- http://www.bomberonline.com/articles/tech_articles.cfm
- http://www.bomberonline.com/articles/welcome_center.cfm
- viewtopic.php?t=2701

Let the egyptians do their thing in their own country

Hans.

[vkrouverk]

IMO here is mixed style and technique. As I understand, technique is based on physics/biomechanics. There are different techniques for carving:
swiss with prerotation,
racing technique, where edge change is basically done only by moving center of gravity point over edge and rest is done by board's sidecut, body is centered and aligned.
"face the nose" technique, used with narrow boards
etc.
Style is somewhat personal and could be described as how individual applies technique, taking into account body and equipment specifics and personal preferences. E.g. Jacques and Patrice both use "extremecarving" technique, but their style is clearly distinguishable.
As answer to initial question I think that best would be to learn different techniques and find your personal style for each different technique. When technique is good, then style will be good as well.

[starikashka]

When technique is good, then style will be good as well.

That`s a key point. Style does not matter, especially if you are beginner

[Thomo]

Thanks everyone!

I thought Egyptian carving was a joke - now I see that is what I have been trying to do - without knowing it! Perhaps I should go to the desert and not the mountains?

I could carve better with softs and a pipe board than I can now as I feel I have less movement in my ankles with hard boots - clearly I have. So I have been using my knees more and that works.

I was worried that if I went to a class in Austria or France and asked them to improve my carving I would end up facing the board's nose and waving my arms around like a bird - it's not a matter of which is easier to me I just think that your arms should be down your sides or behind your back - whichever, just out of the way!

Thanks for the links - The Swiss site has some great videos - especially like the old school one - boy can that guy ride!

I will check out the other links.

Thank you all,

Happy shredding!

Thomo