An unusual day... and an unusual balance.

[RicHard]

Me understand slightly less than zero about sking, and care even less, but why he must bend inside foot? why not keep it more straight caus ewith proper carve outside ski is anyway in air

If you keep the inside leg straight, how can you put the external on the snow?
Try to stand up and, without bending the right leg, lean with the whole body on the right to put the feet on their sides (as if the had their edge).
How can you do it if you don't bend the right leg? If you lean of 1cm, the left leg leave the ground of 1cm.

[RicHard]

About that last picture, skiers body position is totally wrong. It's center of gravity is way back.
Word of advice: move your arms forward, it'll push your center of gravity towards the center.
cheers.

Moving armsforwardwouldn't put so much weight toward the front and I see no other way to move weight forward, since the chest is already crashing on the knee.
In such extreme-carving turns, the standard rules of standard skiing are not appliable.
Cheers!

[Felix]

About Inside/Outside weight distribution.

It is impossible to increase inside ski pressure during the turn, every good skier/carver starts with much pressure on inside ski on turn initiation, to gradually move over the weigt to the outside ski. On even more increasing outside ski pressure you finally change directions and outside ski with full pressure becomes new inside ski.

If you wan't I can link to a german thread on a carving ski forum where several riders (professional ski teachers and ski racers) all adhere to that statement.

[RicHard]

About Inside/Outside weight distribution.

It is impossible to increase inside ski pressure during the turn, every good skier/carver starts with much pressure on inside ski on turn initiation, to gradually move over the weigt to the outside ski. On even more increasing outside ski pressure you finally change directions and outside ski with full pressure becomes new inside ski.

If you wan't I can link to a german thread on a carving ski forum where several riders (professional ski teachers and ski racers) all adhere to that statement.

Once again: all of you are talking about technique that is proper of STANDARD and MORE EFFICIENT way of skiing.
Extreme ski-carving is something different. You cannot apply standard rules when you are not doing anything that is considered standard.

[pokkis]

Me understand slightly less than zero about sking, and care even less, but why he must bend inside foot? why not keep it more straight caus ewith proper carve outside ski is anyway in air

If you keep the inside leg straight, how can you put the external on the snow?
Try to stand up and, without bending the right leg, lean with the whole body on the right to put the feet on their sides (as if the had their edge).
How can you do it if you don't bend the right leg? If you lean of 1cm, the left leg leave the ground of 1cm.

Cause on ExtremeCarvSking all preasure is on inside ski, otherwise it just looks like silly ordinary looking sking
Outside ski is/should be on air

[H2O]

Good picture! But arrrrgh for the knees!

All pressure on one knee at each turn... I have heard that many carving skiers have knees problems after a few seasons. After 15 years of intense extremecarving on snowboards (20 years in general), I still have no pain fortunately!

Note that the snow conditions have a great importance. I'm afraid that one gets injured more easily with skis than with a snowboard when extreme carving...

Patrice Fivat

Patrice.....in fact I know about knees problems after many times of carving with ski, also in telemark!
RicHard, about the picture, of course, the skier isn't at 70%! but the balance point is supported by the weight on the tail of external ski.
A very beautiful picture, a very good rider, with the weight a little bit on the rear, is necessary a very strong action (also knees and abdomen muscles) for the next turn! I'd like to see the next turn.
Many years ago, to compensate the 2 skis different radius during a turn, Dynastar, for carving cup racers (to minimize the weight charges problems), produced skis with different internal/external radius, a good product but, unfortunately, not compatible with the in series production.
Also for telemark (and by now for normal ski), a handmaker in Colorado, ScottyBob, produces skis with different internal/external radius...I used them 4 years ago and during two winter seasons...very good!
RicHard, we can speak a lot in a good mountain reastaurant, after a good riding day (with a lot of snow) and...with a good red Italian wine.
Ciao ed alla prossima.
Pietro

[SuperHik]

About that last picture, skiers body position is totally wrong. It's center of gravity is way back.
Word of advice: move your arms forward, it'll push your center of gravity towards the center.
cheers.

Moving armsforwardwouldn't put so much weight toward the front and I see no other way to move weight forward, since the chest is already crashing on the knee.
In such extreme-carving turns, the standard rules of standard skiing are not appliable.
Cheers!

If you push your arms forward, it'll automatically take your upper body with it, so you'll end up with center of gravity at the middle of the skies. as for the knees crashing in the chest, it's all connected.

This is happening , because skiers ass is to way back and he has to compensate by pushing his chest forward. When you have the correct possition on the skies, you can't (shouldn't) ever hit knees to the chest.


cheers

[RicHard]

RicHard, about the picture, of course, the skier isn't at 70%! but the balance point is supported by the weight on the tail of external ski.

That ski just grab the snow for 1mm... it can't guarantee any grip. That ski (for direct admission of the skier) has no pressure. It can just have pressure if you turn less than extreme. Otherwise... it's not an extreme turn.

A very beautiful picture, a very good rider, with the weight a little bit on the rear, is necessary a very strong action (also knees and abdomen muscles) for the next turn! I'd like to see the next turn.

I'll ask him the permission for posting a video (about him) I have got.

Many years ago, to compensate the 2 skis different radius during a turn, Dynastar, for carving cup racers (to minimize the weight charges problems), produced skis with different internal/external radius, a good product but, unfortunately, not compatible with the in series production.

I agree with you... it was a good idea, as far as I can understand...

RicHard, we can speak a lot in a good mountain reastaurant, after a good riding day (with a lot of snow) and...with a good red Italian wine.
Ciao ed alla prossima.
Pietro

I hope we will do it soon!;)
A presto!

[RicHard]

When you have the correct possition on the skies, you can't (shouldn't) ever hit knees to the chest.

I disagree with you.
Of the two ones, choose just one: if you don't want the knee on the chest, you have to be with your weight too backward.
If you want to be centered, your chest as to short-circuit with your knee.
There's no chance to be so inclined keeping the internal leg straight and, since you have to beng it at the most, the chest has to compensategoing forward. Unfortunately... at a certain point...it crash on the knee...

Can you show me a picture were a skier is "extremecarving" with the weight centered and the chest that doesn't almost touch the internal knee?

Ciao!

[JK moscraciun]

check these images taken by me in January 08 in Iscghl on the slope nr 21

my friend(former racer) was doing this carves in order to explain body alignment for some other skier!

he is not trying to extreme carve (he call’s it “the airplane” )

judging only by the snow spray from under his skis until some point 50/50 is a must

but when thing goes more extreme the 99% goes for the inside leg!

the knee in the chest doesn’t stop him to lean forward

[RicHard]

I don't understand why the right arm has to be so high (second picture). It put less weight on the edges than keeping it along the leg...

[kurtsk8]

he is not trying to extreme carve (he call’s it “the airplane” )

if the arm would not be so high it would be an airplane with a broken wing

[JK moscraciun]

I don't understand why the right arm has to be so high (second picture). It put less weight on the edges than keeping it along the leg...

he is just having fun and making a point about shoulder/hip alignment, inclination vs angulation etc for other skiers! not trying to extreme carve in a way to imitate a snowboarder!

+ my post is trying to prove that if you extreme carve on skis you going to end up on one ski!