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Post by frunobulax » Tuesday 24 May 2005, 9:29

Felix wrote:My believe is that you can put anyone of us good raceboarders on slalom race skis, and within 3hours he will ride better than 80% of the skiers!
Still no chance for me to open the vid, maybe I'm too stupid for it.
But what Felix wrote is interesting, since I got the same opinion. I'd say that carving on snowboards and skis needs very similar technique (despite that I personally don't use push-pull on skis because it's nearly useless. The inclination is limited by the skiboot hanging over the edge so anyway I cannot go deeper than approximately 60-70°).

I gave up skiing as a 15-year-old in 1989 and began snowboarding, never touching my skis again. Then in 2001 I bought new skis and tried a few carves, and the effect was astonishing. From the very first moment on my skiing was better than 12 years before. I guess that carving on snowboards for all these years helped me very much on skis.
Once you know the basic principles of carving, e.g. how the edge reacts when you do this and that, how you should shift your weight, how to rotate and so on, there seems to be no major difference whether you got one or two sticks underneath your feet.
Same with the equipment:
fruno's F2 Speedster RS: length 183 radius 16 rather soft nose and tail
fruno's Atomic GS:9: length 180 radius 16 rather soft nose and tail
When I look at good skiers on the slope it seems to be the main difference between them and myself is the rotation move I learned on the snowboard. Most of the skiers still do counter-rotation and don't even know there is another way of doing it so that limits their inclination and stability in high-speed carves.

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Counter-rotation

Post by István » Tuesday 24 May 2005, 10:44

Doesn't the counter rotation of skiers come from the old-school alpine ski technique everyone had to learn, i.e. facing downhill all the time?

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Post by frunobulax » Tuesday 24 May 2005, 10:56

Yep that's right. I still remember my skiing teachers shouting "Taaaaalschuuulter zurüüüüüück" which means downhill shoulder back.
Didn't understand it then and still don't understand it today.

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Post by makaha » Tuesday 24 May 2005, 14:24

Felix wrote:well on epic we have told you enough bout the ski part.
my video, but not from me
Felix wrote:For snowboarding, follow the advice above. Using push pull you will get rid of your problems with you shattering board and being prone to loose the edge, Am I right that you experience those probs?
i try "push-pull" tech., but my position is the same: bent
Felix wrote:What do you want, to achieve extreme lean or more stability on both ski and board? Problem is that both is hard to get (P+J are mastering it, yeah).
no problemo with inclination on ski and monoski, but SB like P&J- it would be my goal
Felix wrote:How long ago did you start skiing?
since 1980 skiing, SBing since 1997, monoski since 1999

P.S. I've only 3-5 SBdays from 30-50 days on snow (last 5years)

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Re: Counter-rotation

Post by makaha » Wednesday 25 May 2005, 15:39

István wrote:Doesn't the counter rotation of skiers come from the old-school alpine ski technique everyone had to learn, i.e. facing downhill all the time?
I consider, the counterrotation is a basic element of ski-technic(modern too!), this movement helps to place your backside on the right spot, always pointed to the center of a turn."Show me, where is your butt and i say, how good can you skiing". First of all learn the count. rot. ,than it goes very simple with SBrotation.
2 years ago I've watched "these" "carving-clinics" in Saas-Fe and Crans Montana. Instructors attempted to teach some Skiers(beginners level) by SBturn, skiped count. rot..As a result....absolutely NO result.

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