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Mitts or gloves for EC?

Postby vkrouverk » Thursday 4 December 2003, 7:31

I made quite an expensive (considering all those gloves and jackets and pants, which will tear down from now on :D ) decision to start EC practicing and now ponder over the question: should I buy mitts for EC? Main consideration is safety: I broke ligaments of finger back in 99 (bad fall and finger was twisted backwards) and healing took more than year, therefore I'm now little bit afraid of riding with hands touching slope (so far I have followed advice not to touch snow during riding). I guess that it should be more safer with mitts, as fingers will not be separated by uneven slope.
I guess that mitts handle wearing better (as they have only one edge)? And I could tape them (to reduce wearing) more easily...
Or is there any considerations, why I should not use mitts? I understand that I lose some mobility of hand with mitts, but that shouldn't be problem: my jacket does not have buttons :-)
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Re: Mitts or gloves for EC?

Postby cmachine » Thursday 4 December 2003, 8:29

Hi vkrouverk

vkrouverk wrote:I broke ligaments of finger back in 99 ...

I broke my finger (metacarpal-bone) on a backside turn in march 2003.

It happend because I touched (at medium speed) a little peace of ice lying on the slope. So it didn't happen on a downfall, just on a normal turn with gliding trough the snow. The peace of ice touched my finger from the front (at the tip) in longitudinal direction.
The peace of ice or hard snow was very little (I guess not more tha 3cm in diameter).
I guess this is a risk of EC if the slopes are not in perfect condidions.

:arrow: So I also decided to use mittens this year, because the fingers are not isolated as you already said.

I already used them. Without any disadvantage for me. But I don't know if they really help to prevent an accident like this. Let's hope ....

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Figured it out!

Postby vkrouverk » Thursday 4 December 2003, 11:19

I just realized, that boxing gloves are the way to go: fingers are protected and they are quite thick, so it takes a while until they wear out so much that should be replaced.
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Additionally you are always ready for arguments with those straight-down-with-tunnel-vision idiots
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hehe :)

Postby nils » Thursday 4 December 2003, 12:05

excellent :)
The mike tyson carving sessions!
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Kevlar

Postby vkrouverk » Thursday 4 December 2003, 18:13

Next question about gloves/mitts: how good are Kevlar gloves with regard to EC? I.e. will it be more viable to buy 5 pairs of cheap gloves for 5 days or will 1 pair of Kevlars last 5 days (or something along this line)? How many days Kevlar gloves handle carving with hands down to snow?
I checked shops here and saw only Burton gloves and cheap/ski brand gloves, which are not designed for such wear, so I try to figure out, whether I should order gloves/mitts from Internet or is it not worth of that :roll:
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Postby cmachine » Thursday 4 December 2003, 18:31

Hi vkrouverk

I killed a pair of kevlar gloves within one day on the frozen tracks (and therefore abrasive) of the snowcat.
They will hold longer on softer snow of course.

3 weeka ago I've seen a guy in sölden with a special kind of gloves: The gloves had a wrist protector included. But unlike other wrist protectors, this one was OUTSIDE the gloves. This plastics wrist protectors gave him incredible gliding ability (next to the protection function). The brand of this glove is "Level". He told me that he's got this gloves for many years (so I couldn't find this model on Level's hompage anymore).

But I remember a thread in this forum where someone put his roller-blade-wrist-protector outside of his gloves. This looked similar to the former "Level solution".

Has someone seen this Level gloves in a store?

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Wrist protection

Postby vkrouverk » Thursday 4 December 2003, 18:41

Yes, I considered also use of wrist protectors. I have skating protectors, but they do not fit over gloves very well, so I probably should buy bigger ones, if I want to use them. But I'm not quite sure about how good it will be, as my wrists seemed to be in strange/uncomfortable position with gloves and protectors. Of course this could be from small size of protectors (I could barely close straps) and with bigger ones it will be better.
One thing, which should be considered, is the possibility of their breakage in cold weather (as someone warned in bomber forum), but with current weather this will be purely theoretical possibility....
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cmachine

Postby nils » Thursday 4 December 2003, 18:45

cmachine, great avatar pic u should post the full size version :)
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Postby Hans » Thursday 4 December 2003, 18:48

cmachine wrote:Has someone seen this Level gloves in a store?

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This model is about three or four years ago. No selling of this model anymore. The last time I saw them was last year in a dutch ski/snowboardshop.

Swoardguys do some Ptex on their gloves against wear and tear.
I don't know where I can buy this stuff in Holland.

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Postby cmachine » Thursday 4 December 2003, 18:51

Hans wrote:No selling of this model anymore.

:(

I've found the thread I mentioned before:
http://www.extremecarving.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=353

I think this is a good solution :clap3: . May be I'll try it
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Gloves and protectors

Postby harald » Monday 8 December 2003, 9:35

Last year I bought a pair of inline protectors to wear outside my gloves. Actually, I had to buy a whole set with knee and elbow protectors as well, but the price was almost the same as only one pair of wrist protectors. The brand was Crazy Creek or something like that. I bought the largest ones. They provide a fine sliding surface for the palms and seem to give a good protection to the gloves. For gloves, I go for the cheapest ones, a pair that costs abt 12 Euros. I need some more time on the snow and at low temperatures to see how good this combination is. Till now, it has worked fine, but it has not been so cold yet.
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Level gloves

Postby saso » Monday 8 December 2003, 10:53

Hi!

I've also heard that mittens are better then ordinary gloves but only because they are supposed to be warmer.
I am using Level gloves with Biomex wrist protection. This is the protection cmachine is talking about:

"The gloves had a wrist protector included. But unlike other wrist protectors, this one was OUTSIDE the gloves. This plastics wrist protectors gave him incredible gliding ability (next to the protection function)"

This Biomex protection should be known to Swiss boarders since Biomex is Swiss company that especialises in sport protection prostetics.
This Biomex protection is wonderfull and though slitely uncomfortable they are the best when it comes to wrist protection. I've fallen on my wrists a number of times but so far nothing serious has happened and I contribute that mainly to those wrist guards.
They are not very good for wearing on the outside of the gloves but they shouldn't be either. They are meant for protection from inside the glove where they can stay firmly in place as they should.
Maybe I am not as extreme as you guys but my gloves are not worn out yet and they are 2 years old.
Try Level!!!
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Re: Level gloves

Postby Hans » Monday 8 December 2003, 18:12

saso wrote:Maybe I am not as extreme as you guys but my gloves are not worn out yet and they are 2 years old.
Try Level!!!


Saso, I am very curious if you use the gloves like ECcarvers does. As stated, completely on the surface of the snow/ice each turn you make. And if you do so, I like to know which model you are using of Level because I am going to buy new gloves which I am gonna wear for ECCarving. I now have Levels which lasted a couple of years. They have some rubber on the handpalms and fingers which is still there. The stitches of the lining is going to tear apart. So I have to buy new ones. But this type of gloves with the strong rubberpads on it, won't be sold anymore. Thanks for concerning.

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Cheap gloves?

Postby vkrouverk » Monday 8 December 2003, 20:51

I try to avoid cheap gloves after I bought ones back on '97 and they (palm area and fingers) just decayed in my hands in 3 days, without dragging hands on snow or something like that. Reason was probably cold weather (ca. -20 C IIRC)? And in case of cold weather with cheap gloves hands will freeze very easy...
I have heard recommendations for level gloves as well (they have kevlar layer), but I'm not sure, that they can handle wear of EC. Of course if one goes with technical carving (not touching snow) then any gloves can handle this (I have Burton's model from last season and they look almost like new, only fingers are little worn from snowboard carrying). So I guess that best would be to go with wrist protectors for hand-dragging riding. Additional bonus is improved protection of wrists of course :)
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Postby Felix » Thursday 11 December 2003, 18:04

Hey guys theres one more solution.

Known to everyone who did spend some time in NZ
Rope Toe Protectors!!!!!

There is nothing more durable. But I havent figured out how to get them gliding!! To everyone who didnt encounter them yet. Its a Protection against the metal ropes made out of 3cm thick leather!!!
As I leave tomorrow for 8 days boarding st.anton I wont be able to answer any questions. sorry !!!! :lol: :lol:

But I will answer after having them tested waxed!!!!

HAve a great time
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