Hi felix,Felix wrote:The impulse for changing the edges on carving skis/snowboards is however NOT the rotational movement BUT the unweighting/weighting of your legs in the form of Cross-Under, Cross-Through, or Cross-Over. Trying to carve without unweighting will not work at all.
I always try to avoid this word in this forum, but this is plain wrong (technicallly). I have to move me center of gravity across the board axis (or the board axis to the other side of my COG) to do turns. Nothing else. For me this is the main difference to drifted skiing turns (but they also work without unweighting).
Keeping an "active" neutral position is kind of rotation, too (of course). I hear, what you say, and most of it is technically correct. But if I wait with my upper body to remain in a neutral position while initiating the turn with whatever, I for sure will end up in counterrotation. This IMHO is the most common mistake amongst Motor-cyclists: They just wait for their tool to act, and then are fighting to stay on it. "passice counterrotation", which is just waiting to be bent by the movement of the board will always lead to limitations in the turn's arc. We discussed this several times before: There will be a moment, where the cutting edge of my board has to accellerate my upper body. This will work on "mild" carves, but will lead to loss of edge grip at the limit. I think, what you are talking about is something like "active rotation technique to neutral position", but unfortunately I can see that on almost nobody's ride.Felix wrote:Try some skiing on slalom carvers to notice that you don't need any rotation at all to do it. The main technique needed is bending at the waist vs leaning in with the whole body plus initiation for the turn by up/down movement (Cross-through or Cross-under for skiers slalom)
Maybe. Maybe we could discuss about this topic one week without any benefit to this topic.Felix wrote:Carving on skis is essentially the same technique as carving on a snowboard.
Maybe rather the hips follow the shoulders. IMHO head and shoulders are crucial for proper hip rotation. I'm pretty sure, hip rotation can be done without head and shoulder rotation, but it is alsp pretty sure much harder to do.Felix wrote:Concluding, for extreme rotation or counterrotation your upper body should follow (follow or go hand in hand but not lead) the rotation of your hips.
Right! Please see above. Can you rotate hips and shoulders independently?Felix wrote:If your hips stay neutral there is no need at all to do any pre-/counter-/ or same time rotation. The most stable position if your hips are neutral is if your upper body stays neutral too. If your rotated with your hips its best to rotate with upper body too, however only so far that you can still rotate even furter on taking shocks, bumps etc.
not fully convinced (due to the difference between beautyful theory and the reality my eyes can see...)
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